I wasn’t sure what category to put this in. I just happened upon an X posting by a Brian Roemmele (AI expert) from March that says he has detracted the Latin from the last page. It says, “the wine multiplies in the bowl”. The phrase is the same as one from John Rupescissa. He says the AI has since located other indications of Rupescissa, and so he’s building an AI around the Voynich and Rupescissa to decipher more. That’s about it. No mention of what his parameters were. To see more, I had to subscribe to this account, so I did but there’s been no news since March. 

The thing is, my analysis of the images turned up Rupescissa at every turn. Koen and b1Mw (sp?) can confirm. That’s why I subscribed, but I don’t want to pay the big bucks of $7 a month if this is some kind of a scam!

Does anyone know anything about this???

Hi everyone and happy Voynich Day!
Here's a link to my music piece:

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The suite has three parts:
Part 1: Centaurea
Part 2: Nymphs
Part 3: Moon

I had so much fun with this project! The atmosphere is quite calm and I got inspired by the various sections and illustrations of the manuscript.
I used Sibelius and FL Studio as tools. I really hope you enjoy this and feel free to check out my other songs if you want to. My main genre is electronic but I've composed stuff for live bands too.

Thanks once again for an amazing sunday afternoon!

VMS Day 2024: Converting the Voynich MS text to music

(If there is going to be a dedicated group for this event, this thread may of course be moved there).

Writing on the eve of VMS Day 2024...

As announced, I developed a method to convert the Voynich MS text to music.
This method takes into account numerous known properties of the MS text in order to produce a result that can be listened to without too much discomfort.

I have used this to create one piece of music per page of the MS, for a representative group of pages, and the links to the music will be available from 4 August onward, via this link: 

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From 13:30 to 14:00 CEST I will give a short presentation how this music has been generated.
For those who cannot attend, or wish to know more in advance, there is also a paper about this. This does not include some of the basic music theory that will be part of the on-line presentation, and goes into some other details.

It can be found at my academia page, but also simply via You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
This may appear in your browser, but in order for the hypertext links to work, one has to download the pdf file first, and read that copy.

The above link to the music files will be activated at the start of the event.
I will add a short note here at that time.

I haven't seen much on this forum discussing term frequency across topics. Some examples I did find were the "interesting Vwords" series by -JKP-, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., and obviously Topic Modeling in the Voynich Manuscript by Sterneck et al.



This could very well be because the results are already common knowledge or because the data is functionally meaningless, but either way at the very least I hope posting this will save someone the potentially wasted effort of doing it themselves.



While the VMS has intrigued me for some time my background is in GIS/cartography, so while data science may be familiar to me, applying them to text and language is not. My amateurish-ness will be very apparent. I apologize in advance. If you have a moment to spare some criticism for my process or for misusing a term, it would be appreciated. While I am naturally inclined to just play with my data and not to post anything, making mistakes and being called out on them the fastest way I know to learn.



My goal was to quantify how difference each topic is from each other, and to build profiles for each 'vord' which could shed light on its potential meanings. For example if a term is used at a much higher frequency in herbal than astrological, we could presume the vord's meaning is more relevant to herbal than astrological. Terms which appears at similar frequency in 2 topics but not in the other 3 might indicate a different meaning than if that vord was equal across all topics, or only highly frequent in one, and so on.




Process




I tried to follow some the same initially methodology as Sterneck et al. I also used the Takahashi EVA transcription as corrected by Zandbergen and Stolti, and sectioned the VMS into 5 topics: 1. herbal, 2. astrological, 3 balneological, 4 pharmaceutical, and 5. starred. Each topic was then considered a separate document.




Where I differed was I assumed full text pages go with the closest illustrations and didn't analyze anything by hand or scribe. These are places where I could improve if this has any value. Additionally, as I was not looking to measure importance, I used a simple term frequency percent.

Dear friends and enthusiasts of mysteries and history,

For centuries, the Voynich Manuscript has intrigued and fascinated researchers worldwide. This enigmatic manuscript, written in an undecipherable language or code, has defied all attempts at decryption. But a question arises: what if the Voynich Manuscript is actually written in old French, dating back to the medieval period between 1000 and 1400?

Old French Letter 
Voynich letter

The mermaid on f358r is certainly intriguing. The eyes are considered to be guard against the evil eye.

   

While looking for parallels to the Voynich MS, we must be aware that it is entirely likely that any relevant manuscripts may now be lost. Fortunately, there are also manuscripts that are not lost, but are just not very well known, either in general or to the amateur community interested in the Voynich MS.
Just speaking for myself, and to give an example, I had not heard of Bologna MS Gr. 3632 before. 

I just checked Minta Collins, where it is mentioned twice, the first entry giving some interesting details.
She calls it mid-15th century, and online I saw an estimated origin of 1440. This is a bit on the late side, but still roughly contemporary with the Voynich MS. It is mainly an example of an interesting comparison, and evidence that there are still other manuscripts that have not come down to us.

It seems to have interesting parallels to Vat.Chigi F.VII 159 which set the theme of this thread, and Paris BN Grec 2108. It is, however, a compilation from many sources. There don't seem to be many illustrations online, but the few that one can find are quite interesting.Below, some herbs apparently from Dioscorides, with - I find - very interesting roots.


   

Here is the final and definitive schedule for #VMD24!
All times are in CEST. I will be hosting a continuous zoom meeting which can be joined freely. I will upload the whole thing to YouTube afterwards, but of course it would be great if you are able to be part of the live audience. This will also give you the opportunity to ask questions to presenters. 


Voynich Manuscript Day 2024

Sunday August 4, 2024
12:00-17:00 CEST
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12:00-12:40 - tavie
Reducing the noise:  identifying constraining patterns in Voynichese

12:40-13:15 - Koen Gheuens
Too blue?

13:30-14:00 - Rene Zandbergen (music presentation)

14:00-14:30 - Patrick Feaster 
The Qokeedy and Choldaiin Loops

14:30-15:00 - Koen Gheuens
State of the Voynich 2024


15:00-15:45 - Keagan Brewer
Overview of "The Voynich Manuscript, Dr Johannes Hartlieb and the Encipherment of Women’s Secrets", Social History of Medicine, Oxford Press, March 22, 2024.

16:00-16:30 - Michelle Lewis 
A New Source of Comparative Illustration for the Voynich Manuscript - Church Tapestries

16:30-17:00 - Emma May Smith
Feature Patterns in the Voynich Manuscript

With a Voynich-inspired musical composition by Lissu Hänninen and Voynich art by Cary Rapaport.

There is a new Discord server for the VMS.

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I'm quite excited to see how the discussions develop.

So far I have gotten confirmation from everyone but Patrick Feaster. Assuming he is okay with his spot, the schedule for the day will look like this. This is the final opportunity for anyone to let me know if they had any plans discussed with Merri but have been left out.

To people presenting: when it is your turn, I will allow you to share your screen. There is no need to send me any material beforehand. You are free to share any material on the forum before and/or after your presentation, as best suits your needs. I will record the whole event and post it to YouTube afterwards.

You can also still let me know if you'd like the title of your presentation changed.
Lissu and tavie: would you prefer to be mentioned by forum name or full name?

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Voynich Manuscript Day 2024
Sunday August 4, 2024
12:00-17:00 CEST
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12:00-12:40 - tavie - Reducing the noise:  identifying constraining patterns in Voynichese
12:40-13:15 - Koen Gheuens - Too blue?
13:30-14:00 - Rene Zandbergen (music presentation)
14:00-14:30 - Patrick Feaster - The Qokeedy and Choldaiin Loops
14:30-15:00 - Koen Gheuens - State of the Voynich 2024
15:00-15:45 - Keagan Brewer - Overview of "The Voynich Manuscript, Dr Johannes Hartlieb and the Encipherment of Women’s Secrets", Social History of Medicine, Oxford Press, March 22, 2024.
16:00-16:30 - Michelle Lewis - A New Source of Comparative Illustration for the Voynich Manuscript - Church Tapestries
16:30-17:00 - Emma May Smith - Feature Patterns in the Voynich Manuscript


Music by Lissu and art videos by Cary Rapaport will be played between presentations.

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If there is anyone with some layout skills who can turn this into a more attractive format, please do!