what is the form like a flower?
they are in v67 or v68 or v69 or medallions in large folio.

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While it is not specifically related to the Voynich MS, the Histocrypt 2023 conference could be of interest to some.

It takes place in Munich, from 20 to 22 June. The conference web site is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

The programme is still in draft form and not all of the information is fully up to date (I will not be a speaker, for example). I am sure that that will all be fixed very soon.

who wrote the Arabic numbers on the top right of the pages?

is it the person who wrote VM?
or is it a completely irrelevant person?

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there is 58r between plant pages, but 58r is perhaps written about astronomy.
why? wrong pages order?
or who written on upper right Arabic number wrote it wrong??

and, there is another like wrong.
pages that introduce plants are in preparation pages.
why? it's a wrong? or right?

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I feel like we often spend so much time trying to decipher the script, figure out the drawings and the mystery of it all, that I've never really seen people state what they think is written in the VM/what it is. so what's your theory, based upon your studying of the VM?

Hi, All:
Back from business travel.  Please see the mansions of the moon transliteration choices from the Picatrix (c. 1256).  I attempted to be as accurate as I could be, but errors in typing and interpretation of Pingtree may have crept in -- so I strongly suggest going to the reference below to create your own interpretation of Pingtree's work.  Please note it just takes making an account to have available 100 free accesses per month (but not downloads) in JSTOR. 

Transliteration List Choices taken from Pingtree, D., Between the Ghāya and Picatrix I: The Spanish Version, Journal of the Warburg and Courtauld Institutes, Vol. 44 (1981), pp. 27-56. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

   

*al-Naƫh is a variant version of the Arabic.
**al-Maysān is a variant version of the Arabic.
*** al-Taḥāyā is a variant version of the Arabic.

I am sticking this in its own thread to make it easy to find, as there are multiple cribs discussed in the general cribs thread.

I agree with Rene that it will take some true "out of the box" thinking to get the list from f69v to work with any of these lists.

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There are plenty of cribs in the Voynich MS. Here, I use the following meaning of the word crib:
"a plaintext word or phrase that is known or strongly suspected to appear in a cipher text."

If one wants to be careful, one could also call them potential cribs.

The point where such cribs appear does not necessarily have to be known, but the more interesting cases are those where we can have a strong suspicion what a particular word should mean.

In this first post I highlight two cases.

The first is from D'Imperio. Figure 30 on page 108 lists the 'houses of the moon' commonly also referred to as the 'mansions of the moon'. According to traditional astrology there are 28.
Now the astronomical / cosmological figure on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. shows 28 words each covering a segment of a circle.
This is as good a crib as one can get.
But it even gets better. D'Imperio's figure shows that the majority of these names start with an 'a'. In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. the majority starts with Eva-o or Eva-y. There are three or so that start with 's'  and there are also three or so in the MS that start with Eva-s.

The second one is one I proposed myself some two decades ago by now.
f67r2 shows a circle split into twelve segments. There is a good chance that these represent the twelve zodiac signs.
The second ring from the outside has short pieces of text covering 3-4 lines each.
In seven of 12 segments there is one word standing apart a bit.
There is a good chance that these are the seven planets ruling this zodiac sign.

There are plenty more cribs, which I may add later on. Others are welcome to do the same of course.

I did a presentation to academics interested in historical ciphers last Thursday the 4th of May. The title of the presentation was "Surviving 14th and 15th century ciphers in archives and documents". This will be appearing as an academic paper in the near future and will probably constitute part of a book that I am writing on cryptography in this period as will the contents of a different presentation that I did last October entitled "Rewriting the History of 15th Century Cryptography in Italian Diplomacy"

The presentation provided an overview of the location and nature of the very many different ciphers surviving from the 14th and 15th century that I am familiar with.

In an article I found a short list to answer this question. Instead of asking how the VMS could be deciphered, you ask the question the other way around.

Quote:There are several reasons why it remains undeciphered:

1. Lack of context: Without knowing the context, background, or purpose of the manuscript, it is difficult to develop a framework for deciphering its language.
2. Unique script: The manuscript’s script is unlike any known writing system, with no clear predecessor or parallel to aid in deciphering.
3. Possible coded or invented language: If the manuscript is written in a code or deliberately invented language, decoding it becomes significantly more challenging.
4. Limited sample size: With only one known example of the Voynich Manuscript, researchers cannot compare it to other texts written in the same language or script to look for patterns or clues.

"An You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. [...] is the geographic boundary of a certain linguistic feature, such as the pronunciation of a vowel..."

In the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. marginalia, we have at least three proposed "marking" dialectical features:

* box -> pox
* geis -> gas
* milch -> mich

I don't know if all of these words are actually in the marginalia and if their interpretation as dialectical forms is correct. But if this is the case, then they point to a certain region. Now the interesting thing for us is that not every feature will correspond to the exact same region. One village may say "pox" and "gas", while another may say "box" and "gas" and yet another "box" and "geis". So the idea is that by finding out in which areas these three proposed features occur, we might end up with a very specific region, much more specific than "it's Alemannic" or "Switzerland". 

Alternatively, we may found out that we cannot demonstrate any geographical proximity between these features, which would also be of relevance for our assessment of the marginalia. 

Now the question is if we will be able to gather enough data to make this work. One strategy might be to start with the rarest feature, which may be writing "mich" for "milch" (?) and see if we can find out where its attestations were written. Since I don't have much experience with this kind of research yet, I wonder if it is feasable to begin with.