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  Vegetable beast. Late echoes of Voynich style?
Posted by: Diane - 09-05-2017, 12:58 AM - Forum: Imagery - No Replies

Found this in the Dumbarton Oaks collection.  It's a book published in  1723, but all the same..
You can see the plate and the book's catalogue entry in full at the Dumbarton Oaks site You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  The way the site is set up prevents hot-links, so I've had to post it to voynichimagery and link from that.

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Michel Angelo Tilli et.al., Catalogus plantarum horti Pisani. Published in Florence in 1723. Includes two folded leaves.

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  Tarot imagery and such
Posted by: Diane - 08-05-2017, 01:15 PM - Forum: Astrology & Astronomy - Replies (4)

Please, now... everyone stay CALM.

As Marco will know, I expect, there is astronomical imagery within the medieval paintings set on card, as well as in contemporary paintings on walls or in manuscripts.

Now, for various reasons, not least then-current fashions, we also find images relating to those put on card in other media.  It is mainly studies of those other media which have produced the more scholarly books and papers.

But to consider paintings put on card, as on paper, during the fourteenth- or fifteenth- century is not an outrageous thing to do, even if the pictures were used for playing games, or .. whatever. Even prognostication.

One of the picture-cycles which has shown some clear iconographic links to images on cards (not only the shorter, tarot deck but the larger tarocchi) are those in the Shifanoia at Ferrara.  And the d'Este were the ruling family there.

Another - which Aby Warburg spoke about in about 1912 - is in the old Meeting Hall in Padua. Often distinguished by being called 'il Salone'.

Which is a pretty long introduction to a picture of a lobster. Smile
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  Ercole D' Este Tarot Voynich Glyph Symbols found
Posted by: coded - 08-05-2017, 03:04 AM - Forum: Astrology & Astronomy - Replies (10)

I found a reference for a tarot card from Edith Sherwood's' site and I guess this should go in astrology!  The tarot card is similar to f67r2 and it's Ercole l D'Este's card.

Oringinal Ercole D'Este full Tarot Deck link.

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  f101v1 Palma Christi?
Posted by: MarcoP - 06-05-2017, 10:08 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (2)

In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., Rene Zandbergen has proposed a parallel between manuscript illustrations of the Palma Christ (hand of Christ) orchid.
Most manuscripts represent the root of the orchid as a single hand, with its finger at the bottom. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (second half of the XIV Century) represents the root as four hands, with fingers pointing to the right and left. In my opinion, one of the plants in Voynich You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. could be a similar (smaller and simplified) illustration of the same plant.



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  Sun text f68r2
Posted by: Emma May Smith - 04-05-2017, 07:15 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (9)

I would like the opinions of others on the text round the sun on f68r2 (the bottom roundel). I think that most of the words are easily readable, but the last three are interesting and not clearly Voynichese.

I would transcribe the roundel text: [okey okoaiin okol oky oeeeo r *key okeeol  *** * ****], with the last three words unreadable. Some transcribers give the third to last word a reading of [cheo] and the following word [o], but I think even these are suspect.

Just bad penmanship, or something else?

   

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  [Trinity] Questions about Trinity MS script
Posted by: Koen G - 03-05-2017, 09:50 AM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography - Replies (57)

I've got some questions about the script:

- Does r sometimes look like 2 depending on the following vowel? And can this same 2 in isolation be used to mean "and"?
- When this "2" is merged with a "4", what does that mean?
- Does a superscript "u" just mean I have to insert it? For example "2 qtanarus" with a "u" on top of the q.
- I take it that a "9" as the end of a word is a generic ending marker. Is it correct that in the names of plants we can't really be sure what this is? For example, a "Greek" name for a plant is "lamb9". This could be lambis, lambus, lambos, lambes...?

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  If it feels like an Alberti Cipher it is one!
Posted by: coded - 01-05-2017, 11:49 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (122)

First off, here is the site that got me started on the cipher.  I admit I have a long ways to go but, I think the VMS corpus was built on a cipher text of words using alberti's cipher disk; with this cipher I have uploaded to you all.  But of course reading a sentence is another thing.  The VMS letters can be woven into sometimes what I see several Latin letters.  The most I have is 3 VMS letters hanging off a Latin Letter.
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I hit the alchemy section hard and Koen had me thinking for a Month on about how this could be fire, share a plant and a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. all at the same time.  The plant is a Venus fly trap f102v2 and they are resistant to fire, somewhat. Anyway on to the cipher!  

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Here are some cipher text words which will make mostly Latin words from the voynich ms and some astronomy words too.  Don't forget to input the inner wheel and outer wheel exactly as this one, also remember the 3 numbers on the picture, initial shift 19, Period increment 1 and Period Length equal to 5.  If you don't do this exactly your input cipher text words will not read Latin.

Large Outer Ring:  ABCDEFGILMNOPQRSTUXZ1234
Small inner  Ring:  zbemdgpfcn&rotusvxylhaiq

initial shift=19
Period increment = 1
Period Length = 5

(cipher text latin words)
lnlq
lnlbp
lnio&
&pme
fmqeg
lonebhz
rlonor
(Astrology Page f67r2)
lneqrmr
rlonqh
bqdegm
anlhhh
mqlq
egrlaoh
mehnlp
&apnfm
&lberohz
alfnqh
lcolnmm
fe&aer



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  Indo Aryan Origins of Voynich .. ?
Posted by: peteb - 28-04-2017, 05:22 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (46)

Good afternoon

Has this been discussed here? 
The possibility that the Voynich 'language' has roots that stem from the dialects of the Indian sub-continent.

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  [Trinity] Plant identification in Trinity College MS O.2.48 Apuleii Herbarium
Posted by: Koen G - 27-04-2017, 08:19 PM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography - Replies (83)

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what the tree on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is? I've gotten used to the script a bit and I think I can make out;
The name of the tree is "Quibanos". The tree grows in "anglica" 
- - then there's a bunch of abbreviations I don't understand yet - - 
and then, I guess: the tree was brought into the island by sea from Ethiopia (??)

By the way, there is something special about reading an abbreviated text like this. I don't really read the letters but rather at a glance I recognize the "shape" of an abbreviation. Like it doesn't really matter whether they drop one letter more or less. The abbreviations are almost like markers for the plant's name, for where it's from... And the paragraph markers are also really handy for seeing immediately where a section starts about a new plant. I'm starting o get a better feel for certain gallow hypotheses that have been proposed before.

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  [Trinity] Parallels between Voynich and Trinity College MS O.2.48
Posted by: Koen G - 26-04-2017, 04:11 PM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography - Replies (28)

Also, on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. there are these plants. The one on top has a few things in common with VM You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . And the one in the bottom, is that some kind of oak-ivy thing going on there?

   

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