The past few years have seen a rise in the number of people arguing for and/or demonstrating non-Latin European character and content in the imagery.

Reviewing threads where a member has raised this issue, it seems that they tend to be diverted, in one way and another, so this thread is only for issues and examples of non-Latin and non-Christian influence and comparative images.

I'll start with one detail I've mentioned often, not only because depicting the sun with a false beard is something we find before the Christian era, but because then we also find documentary evidence that provides a coherent explanation for a sun's being shown like this.

Just to start this thread going, then:-

Two weeks ago I started on learning classical Greek for R&D

I am curious, are there people here fluent in classical (old) Greek, and/or any experience in the ancient dialects?

Dear members,

I hope you all are enjoying your New Year as we strive to find meaning in the Voynich Manuscript.  I'm working very hard as you are, however I can't seem to find a list of at least a 1000 or 100 most common Middle English words without definitions.  Can anyone point me in the right direction for a download or and paste the words in a code section of this post?

Thank You!

(04-01-2017, 04:44 PM)Sam G wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The sea creatures are interesting.  Perhaps it's coincidental, considering that to some extent roots just look like that, but some of the proposed matches are pretty close and it would be consistent with the other obviously animal-inspired shapes in the botanical imagery.

Now, I'm definitely not saying this is a correct identification at all, but on the topic of sea creatures in the VMS, am I the only one who thinks the "dragon" on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. looks a bit like a seahorse?



The snout, the overall body shape, and the fact that the dragon only appears to have only one "foot" are a pretty good match, though admittedly the arms are hard to explain and the foot/tail is curling the wrong way, and also it appears to be "walking" on land.

"Blue dot clusters" show up in six of the herbal illustrations (if I didn't miss any):


Well, what are these things?  Flowers?

As usual, any comparisons to actual plants or to botanical imagery in other sources are welcomed.

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Did you notice that there are no characters that end in pointing to the East, except the character 4, and c and e.

Other characters point / end towards the West / South / North

If it has any significance, what could it mean?

a c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t v y z

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It is perhaps the most significant artifact documenting the arrival of Jews in the New World: a small, tattered 16th-century manuscript written in an almost microscopic hand by Luis de Carvajal the Younger, the man whose life and pain it chronicled.

etc...

Matching the appropriate syllabes to phonetic values has my focus at the current moment.

Was/Is there someone who is engaged in phonetic study of the letters in the VMS, I would love to read more on it.

I have looked this over for a couple of days and I see a hidden message in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  The first 3 nymphs from left to right use their bodies for letters, then the next six nymphs letters are used.  I'm not certain this is the message, but it does make sense and relates to History.  The message is, "hELD TITLES LILL"

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With the advent of 2017, I decided to have a look back at the small-plants section, where I started my Voynich research about a year ago. After many months spent almost exclusively looking at nymphs, it was a bit strange to see "my plants", as I somewhat affectionately call these monsters, back. 

I couldn't help but sense how this section, just like the large plants, breathes a completely different atmosphere than the nymphy sections. It is almost as if the only thing connecting them is the script, and the fact that they are bound in the same book. And above all, perhaps, a decent amount of Voynich special sauce.

This special sauce, in this section, appears to be the fact that the plants are not what they seem at first sight. Others before me have noted a number of examples: the elephant leaf, the faces in the roots of two plants, the one that looks like a claw, the one with the snake in the root...



I like these obvious examples, because they show beyond any doubt that non-botanical images have been worked into the plants, for whatever reason.

Then, about a years ago, I dug deeper. I noticed that especially the f89 foldout contained a high concentration of non-botanical imagery, which I believe relate to various mythological figures and creatures.

Now, a couple of days ago, I had a closer look at the preceding page, f88 (both sides). I wasn't expecting anything special, just a "random" hidden image in some plants. But I am becoming more certain that the f88 hidden images also have a theme: animals.

For example, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , have a look at these three:


Octopus with eight arms and suction pods:


Another kind of octopus or squid:


A jellyfish?



On the revers, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , there is the hind part of a monkey:


The animal theme also blends over into the adjacent foldout, where we find a rearing cobra:



A snake, two animals in the leaves, a fishy tail...: 




Those are the obvious examples, they are the evidence I use as a base to launch the hypothesis that the plants on f88 are drawn to include animal parts. The other plants are more cryptic though, so I was hoping if anyone saw something else in them. For example, there is this one which looks like a spine (of a fish?):



This one looks like a quadruped animal with antlers ??


Two wings that are crossed for some reason?


A fish tail or fox tails??


This thing is intriguing as well. Beneath the paint it looks scaly or hairy:


And what to make of something like this, which clearly looks sculpted and twisted somehow to make a certain shape, but what is it?



One last intriguing bit. Several plants have been hit hard by the "heavy painter", obscuring the line work or any writing below, and on at least one plant apparent writing is visible:




So... any ideas? 

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