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  how to use voynich ninja/ weekly voynich video chat
Posted by: davidd - 24-04-2025, 09:43 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (28)

Hi guys,

My first thread on voynich ninja.
I am a software developer with mathematics background, and i would like to contribute to the voynich project with my programmin/statistical skills.

Really happy to be here on this ninja forum, but it is kinda overwhelming. There is just too much to jump into it random. What i would like is more of a guide where to begin on this forum. I downloaded some scripts from stolfi's website, but most of it is more than 20 years old. I hope there has been more statistics progress in the time since.

Q1:
Is there an interlinear file (fsg) that also contains which scribe wrote each section?

Q2:
Some research seems more useful than others, but this forum seems really individualistic? Is somebody continuing on the work of stephen bax or the CLS system?

Q3:
If it is not there and hasnt been tried, i would like to propose to do some weekly or monthly video conference chatting, brainstorming.

I am enjoying how much you guys have already done, and how supportive some of the community members are. 

Kind regards,
Davidd.

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  Strong evidence of a structured four-phase system in the Voynich Manuscript
Posted by: Urtx13 - 24-04-2025, 08:20 AM - Forum: Theories & Solutions - Replies (81)

Hi all,

Over the past months, I’ve been working on a detailed statistical analysis of the Voynich Manuscript. It suggests a consistent finding: the manuscript appears to follow a structured four-phase system, encoded across the botanical section and possibly beyond.

I used lexical entropy, topic modeling (LDA), and a symbolic “lunar” assignment system to classify each folio into one of four cyclical phases. The key is: this structure holds up across the entire manuscript, and even hints at internal cycles within folios.

Here’s what stands out:
- A classifier trained on entropy + topic distribution + synthetic lunar angle reached 96.5% accuracy
- A 1000-run permutation test confirmed this is far from random (p < 0.001)
- External validation with real botanical flowering data reached 65–68% phase alignment (relaxed cyclic margin)
- Harmonic patterns emerged through the FFT and autocorrelation of topic dynamics
- The pattern is not dependent on any linguistic decoding — it emerges structurally

I’ve submitted this to arXiv (submission ID: `submit/6380387`, under moderation). 
I’m sharing it here because this forum includes some of the best critical minds on the Voynich. I’d love to know what you think, especially:
- I think it is plausible that the manuscript encodes a symbolic or calendrical cycle, especially a botanical related to moon phases.
- Could this framework be linked to ritual, agronomy, or spiritual cycles?
- Have others attempted something similar and seen weak but non-random patterns?

Code and data: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 

Everything is fully reproducible (seed = 1405). No cherry-picking. 
I’m not claiming to crack the VM — just showing that, structurally, it’s more organized than expected by chance.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

— O. Cho 
Universitat Oberta de Catalunya

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  Castle Runkelstein & The Vintlers
Posted by: 008348dc760f858fd668476b75fb6f - 23-04-2025, 03:45 PM - Forum: Provenance & history - Replies (25)

I'm putting together a (slightly) more in depth Hanz Vintler and Castle Runkelstein vs the manuscript comparison of images and spotted these interesting ceiling patterns via the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

   

I'll update this thread once I've compiled the whole image comparison.

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  Oblivion remastered has been released
Posted by: bi3mw - 22-04-2025, 08:34 PM - Forum: Fiction, Comics, Films & Videos, Games & other Media - No Replies

Oblivion remastered has been released today.Unfortunately there is no localization for the audio (English only).

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  Favorite Plant Tournament GROUP B
Posted by: Koen G - 21-04-2025, 04:09 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (20)

With the voting for Group A set to close in a few days, let's open the vote on Group B! This time, I am less certain about which plant will be the winner and pass on to the next round.

  1. f11r
  2. f18v
  3. f27v
  4. f28r
  5. f29r
  6. f35r
  7. f36v
  8. f42r


   

Cast your votes! The poll will automatically close in 7 days.

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  f25v - Corn Plant (Dracaena fragrans) ?
Posted by: Dobri - 21-04-2025, 08:50 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (13)

Is the plant in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.?

Dracaena (female dragon) is derived from ancient Greek. 

The plant was described by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., where the red resin obtained from the plant was linked to dragon's blood which could be collected from a place of war between elephants and dragons.

The plant was known for its You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. from ancient times.

[Image: 500px-Dracaena_fragrans_%282%29.jpg]

[Image: Screenshot2023-01-27at11.43.30AM_720x.png?v=1674791213]

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  New Interpretation
Posted by: KDSmith - 20-04-2025, 09:07 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions - Replies (1)


.pdf   Voynich Interpretation - Fosseuse - K Danielle Smith.pdf (Size: 1.17 MB / Downloads: 70)
Hi Everyone, 
I have attached a slide deck of my research on the translation.  The full alphabet and how to interpret the text is coming soon in my book.
Cheers!

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  Is there any character like that?
Posted by: ErinaBee - 20-04-2025, 08:11 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (50)

Is there any character in the VM that is generally thought as 1 character but some people believe it to be 2 distinct characters with very subtle differences?

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  Switch System
Posted by: Bluetoes101 - 20-04-2025, 01:06 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (28)

This system was inspired by the Curve-Line System (CLS). Brain Cham's full work is here - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
A key component of CLS is that EVA: "a" is used to transition Voynich text from curves to lines. I thought of it as a switch from curves to lines.
I believe there are more "switches" and that their function can be defined. 

Firstly I map glyphs to one of 3 groups dependant on if they are constructed from backslash \, line | or curve c.
If a glyph is a modified version of this shape I call the modification an addition of a curve. 
I find it helpful to think of these assignments as blocks, or jigsaw pieces. Some fit, some do not. 
(As adding a curve to a curve results in the same shape, I do not modify them further)

Backslash. Backslash-Curve. Curve. Line-Curve.
   

     # Curve
    "e": "c", "g": "c", "b": "c", "s": "c", "h": "c",
    # Backslash
    "i": "\\",
    # Backslash-Curve
    "n": "X", "r": "X", "j": "X", "m": "X", "l": "X",
    # Line-Curve
    "t": "K", "k": "K", "p": "K", "f": "K", "d": "K", "q": "K",


The outlier in the mapping is "d", it belongs in "Line-Curve" due to its functionality in the text but is not constructed from line |.
Double \ is used due to backslash being a functional unit for the software, the eventual processing will consider it a single unit.
I also had to compromise with | and call it "l" due to similar restrictions which you will see below. 

"switch" 
If you prefer to think of this as a "transition" or "modifier" that is fine, it does not matter. 
The core principle is that my "switch" will change what was on the left to a new thing on the right.

    # Switch
    "o": ">",
    # Switch-Backslash
    "a": ">\\",
    # Switch-Line
    "y": ">l", "c": ">l",


In the below image we have a hole in our jigsaw. Filling it is where "switches" come in. From the shape of the hole left, you may be able to guess which switch we need.
"a" ends with the backslash shape, so that would be a perfect fit. "o" would also work as it has no defined end shape. "y" and "c" would not work as they end in a line.
 
   

In order to make the code understand how this works "non-conformances" are defined so that miss-matched building blocks are flagged.

Pairs of letters which do not fit together are defined as so. 

# Pairings
r"c\\", r"cX", r"cl", r"cK",
r"K\\", r"KX", r"Kl", r"KK",
r"X\\", r"XX", r"Xl", r"XK",
r"\\K", r"\\l", r"\\c",
r"l\\", r"lX",  r"lc",  


Glyph sequences where a "switch" was used transition from a shape to the same shape are also flagged as non-conforming. We did not transition/switch.

# Sequences  
r"c>c", r"c>>c", r"c>>>c", r"c>>>>c",
r"K>c", r"K>>c", r"K>>>c", r"K>>>>c",
r"X>c", r"X>>c", r"X>>>c", r"X>>>>c",
r"\\>\\", r"\\>>\\", r"\\>>>\\", r"\\>>>>\\",
r"\\>X", r"\\>>X", r"\\>>>X", r"\\>>>>X",
r"l>l", r"l>>l", r"l>>>l", r"l>>>>l",
r"l>K", r"l>>K", r"l>>>K", r"l>>>>K",
r">>>>>",  
}


The pairs and sequences list complete our "non-conformances".

Some glyphs/pairs require additional mapping. 
"ch" and "sh" have been mapped as "c" plus a curve. As so they are "c" which is ">l" plus a curve, all together, so the result is ">K".
"ih" and "ish" have been mapped as "i" (backslash) plus a curve. Which is Backslash-Curve "X"
"e"+ Line-Curve are allowed in a separate process so that outside of this pairing "e" functions normally. It is an interesting combination, and previously I have said that I think it might be some sort of "half-benched" gallows, as I group "d" in with gallows that explains all the "ed" in Currier B. As the text does it, I incorporate it as part of its system, I'm not trying to "win", if score padding was the aim I could use much better tricks.. which leads me to EVA: "l".
"ld" is allowed as a pairing. This was a compromise. Other work I have seen has described "l" as the "joker" or "wildcard", the glyph that can be any shape. I found that for my work allowing just "ld" was good enough. Allowing "l" to "be anything" does bump scores up, but I feel like for the most part it is fairly rigid and performs a normal Backslash-Curve function.

For testing I used "ZL - The "Zandbergen" part of the LZ transliteration effort. v. 3a"
I decided on ambiguous mapping by eye and logged the results. In total I gained +3 conforming words from my choices which may have otherwise been non-conforming.
For the test I used the whole of Q1 excluding f1r. This is so that all of the text was Q1, Language A, Hand 1, Herbal.

In my work I have had 1 eye on Currier B ("ed" being an example) but this system will not work for it. This is aimed at Q1 currently, however I plan on tackling Currier B if this seems at all useful or of any worth to anyone.

I would just like to touch on two pairings which I feel may get brought up.
"yc" and "ys". In my opinion these common pairings are not part of normal Voynich language (amongst others). My system does not touch on "Line As a Functional Unit" phenomenon or such, but I do believe this is most likely at play in these cases. I think this is very clear.

[Image: ycs.jpg] 

The results of my test using the above rules is here. 

[Image: conf.jpg]

The full list of non-conforming words is here.

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Finally.
I used AI. This was for writing code only, all mapping was done by myself with no input or analysis by AI. This is around 6 months of "work", mostly just thinking and reading others work, code just isn't a skill I have. 

I also asked it to produce its interpretation (+ my system name) from my favourite drawing in the manuscript for something to post here.

   

Thank you for reading, if you have any input I would love to hear it. 


If you have written anything even roughly in line with my work, I have probably read it and stolen something. So, thank you! Also specifically to Rene for his transliteration and commenting on my other post where I was trying to put this together along with other ninja members who helped me greatly.

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  Another proposed solution: Caspari & Faccini (2025)
Posted by: ReneZ - 19-04-2025, 04:52 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions - Replies (2)

This was kindly sent to me, not by any of the authors: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. (Link to PDF is included).

Tavi may want to add this to the list, as a 'vernacular Italian solution'.

It has a number of the usual issues: inconsistency, no examples of meaningful plaintext, and it cannot work as it is just another simple substitution.

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