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labels as words - MarcoP - 11-09-2016
In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Rene wrote:
(09-09-2016, 10:22 AM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Going back many years, there used to be a statement about the word spaces along the following argument:
given that the label words should be individual words, and they primarily tend to appear in the main text separated by spaces, it seems that the spaces are real.
The problem is that I have never seen anyone really demonstrating this.
This would be a bit of work, but not too difficult to do and it might really tell us something.
All labels can be matched with a version of the main text from which all spaces have been removed.
One can then see how many labels are not found at all, and for the remainder whether there is indeed a preference for them to reoccur separated by spaces.
Depending on the result, the situation could of course not be entirely clear.
I tried making this count, as suggested by Rene.
I used Takeshi Takahashi's transcription.
504 different labels consisting of a single word of length 4 or more
235 labels are perfectly matched by words
examples:
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21 labels perfectly match a sequence of words (i.e. they appear in the text split into multiple consecutive words; the beginning and end of the label still correspond to spaces)
examples:
otaraldy .otar.aldy. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
okeeodal .okeeo.dal. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
dolol .dol.ol. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
37 labels occur as part of longer words
examples:
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39 labels are found removing all spaces (line and page breaks included)
examples:
yoraly sheedy.oraly You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
tsholdy dtshol.dytal You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
chokaro chokar.okcho You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
172 labels cannot be found
examples:
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47% of the labels simply and directly occur as words.
Labels matching a sequence of words (4%) and labels matching part of words (7%) add up to an 11% of dubious cases, that could be explained both linguistically and by the arbitrary manipulation of spaces between words.
8% of the labels match the text only if spaces are completely ignored.
34% of the labels cannot be found in any case.
47% to 8% seems to me a clear preference for labels to reoccur separated by spaces. I attach lists of the labels split into the different categories discussed above.
I hope that someone else will independently make a similar exercise or at least check my results, so that we can be sure I did not accidentally introduce any major error.
As always, many thanks to Job for Voynichese.com
It really makes checking and discussing these things easier!
RE: labels as words - Koen G - 11-09-2016
RE: labels as words - Emma May Smith - 11-09-2016
RE: labels as words - ReneZ - 11-09-2016
RE: labels as words - Anton - 11-09-2016
RE: labels as words - MarcoP - 11-09-2016
RE: labels as words - Anton - 11-09-2016
RE: labels as words - MarcoP - 11-09-2016
RE: labels as words - Koen G - 11-09-2016
RE: labels as words - MarcoP - 11-09-2016