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RE: A key to understand the VMS - Torsten - 05-02-2017
(05-02-2017, 01:55 PM)nickpelling wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If you take the three (EVA) letters 'e', 'o', 'l', and count the occurrences of their six permutations (in the Takahashi transcription), I think you get the following:
eol - 961
ole - 39
oel - 0
leo - 2
loe - 0
elo - 0
These numbers strongly imply that Voynichese has very strong letter adjacency rules in play: and it is surely far from coincidental that both eol and ole are the only two permutations where l immediately follows o. (For reference, 'ol' occurs 5507 times in the same transcription.)
Without any doubt, these numbers are inconsistent with auto-copying if you are trying to argue that errors introduced during autocopying are the systematic source of the random variation within Voynichese.
Dear Nick,
I didn't argue with errors and random variations. Since I assume that the VMS was created by a human mind I expect systematic variations. Moreover the autocopying hypotheses means that every word is at the same time the result of the copying process and it is also a possible source for further copying steps. In this way I suggest a self-referential system for the VMS.
The error in your example is that you suggest that the letters are used independent from each other. But this is not the case. The groups 'ol', 'al', 'ar' and 'or' are replaced with each other in a systematic way: "Another example is that 'o' is interchangeable with 'a' before 'l' and 'r' ..." [You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.]. This means that instead of 6 possibilities only two exists. This two possibilities are 'e' + 'ol' and 'ol' + 'e'. Your two words with 'leo' are 'oleoeder' and 'doleodaiin' and belong in the category 'ol' + 'e'.
The matrix of possible permutations is therefore:
ole 39 ore 11 ale 10 are 7
eol 961 eor 464 eal 140 ear 171
The most frequent word containing 'eol' is 'cheol' (172 times). For 'eor' this most frequent word is 'cheor' (100 times). In the case of 'eal' it is 'cheal' (30 times) and in the case of 'ear' it is 'chear' (51 times). As more frequent a word is as more similar words exist for it. Moreover since 'cheol' (172 times) is frequent also the word 'sheol' (114 times) is frequently used. In this way the result fits with the autocopy hypotheses.
RE: A key to understand the VMS - Torsten - 05-02-2017
RE: A key to understand the VMS - stellar - 05-02-2017
RE: A key to understand the VMS - nickpelling - 05-02-2017
RE: A key to understand the VMS - nickpelling - 05-02-2017
RE: A key to understand the VMS - davidjackson - 05-02-2017
RE: A key to understand the VMS - Emma May Smith - 05-02-2017
RE: A key to understand the VMS - Torsten - 05-02-2017
RE: A key to understand the VMS - Torsten - 05-02-2017
RE: A key to understand the VMS - stellar - 05-02-2017