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A One-Page Ledger Method for Generating Voynich-Like Text - Printable Version +- The Voynich Ninja (https://www.voynich.ninja) +-- Forum: Voynich Research (https://www.voynich.ninja/forum-27.html) +--- Forum: Analysis of the text (https://www.voynich.ninja/forum-41.html) +--- Thread: A One-Page Ledger Method for Generating Voynich-Like Text (/thread-5752.html) |
RE: A One-Page Ledger Method for Generating Voynich-Like Text - Dunsel - 27-05-2026 (27-05-2026, 01:50 PM)rikforto wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(27-05-2026, 12:29 PM)Dunsel wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You keep moving into paleography, and that's not what I'm doing here. I'm not a paleographer and would be a fool to claim such. I looked over that CLS and again, that's paleography. Not my bailiwick. But here's what I see in it. He is saying that Voynich glyphs are made of component strokes and are constrained. That makes copying, mutation, word families and word constraints more plausible, not less. CLS could very well fit under a ledger model as a lower level constraint system. Does my generator violate CLS? Yes. Does that mean the constraint system of my ledger is fundamentally wrong? No. It may mean that, if CLS is correct, then it's not taking the lower level constraint system of CLS into account. CLS is zoomed way in at the character creation level. I am zoomed way out at the production level. Furthermore, he jumps to some really dubious conclusions: "Since the Voynich Manuscript’s text does not seem to fit a natural language in these tests, nor is it random, then it must be artificial, in which case there is no reason for CLS not to fit." That's a logical fallacy called a false dichotomy. Simply because something doesn't fit description A, then it must be description B. He's concluding that there is no option C or D or any other. He doesn't test against a shorthand or a mnemonic structure or various cryptographic structures like Naibbe. Furthermore, I saw no stroke by stroke comparison to an actual period manuscript. Claiming the Voynich scribe had stroke habits without disproving other manuscripts of having stroke habits is a huge gaping hole. So, if my ledger doesn't conform to CLS, well, that's because CLS is not an established fact in my opinion. Is his theory right or wrong? I don't know. There's not enough facts there for me to make a decision. Do I feel obligated to include it in order to prove my point? Nope, not yet anyway. Edit: The best way to describe this is, I am artistically impaired. Data mining? I got that. Show me the numbers. RE: A One-Page Ledger Method for Generating Voynich-Like Text - rikforto - 27-05-2026 RE: A One-Page Ledger Method for Generating Voynich-Like Text - Dunsel - 27-05-2026 RE: A One-Page Ledger Method for Generating Voynich-Like Text - Dunsel - 27-05-2026 RE: A One-Page Ledger Method for Generating Voynich-Like Text - bi3mw - 28-05-2026 RE: A One-Page Ledger Method for Generating Voynich-Like Text - oshfdk - 28-05-2026 RE: A One-Page Ledger Method for Generating Voynich-Like Text - Dunsel - 28-05-2026 RE: A One-Page Ledger Method for Generating Voynich-Like Text - Dunsel - 28-05-2026 RE: A One-Page Ledger Method for Generating Voynich-Like Text - bi3mw - 28-05-2026 RE: A One-Page Ledger Method for Generating Voynich-Like Text - Dunsel - 28-05-2026 |