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RE: Water, earth and air - Stefan Wirtz_2 - 19-01-2026
As (the) one who sees the wording of VMS' f68 "earth" as equivalents of Asia, Africa, Europe (which can be found in a overwhelming number of TO signets and thereby have the highest possibility, but of course no certainty),
I like to emphasize that VMS rosette here shares to same way of viewing the world like "Oresme" ("" because I have in mind that the drawings are not Oresmes own work).
But I have no segemented "T-O" in my memory were "Air, Land, Sea" ever came as written words, and not like drawn terrain, water waves and something air-like (ribbons, stars, pea-soup, whatever). Such versions may exist.
So both roundels may have the inversion of "world" in common, but not surely the intention of segments.
On the other hand, there are many cloudband-using variants of showing the world:
(14th Ct.)
![[Image: adb748ccbd6b981f22eba6be1c94b6bd.jpg]](https://i.pinimg.com/1200x/ad/b7/48/adb748ccbd6b981f22eba6be1c94b6bd.jpg)
(ca. 1227-1234)
![[Image: d178da493f981b4d7d7ba29ef46825a8.jpg]](https://i.pinimg.com/1200x/d1/78/da/d178da493f981b4d7d7ba29ef46825a8.jpg)
When using "Asia, Africa, Europe" fillings, it was quite usual to write much more into the Asia segment, just 1 example here:
![[Image: e94f43ce8d68bdd771b12b3aa46d403f.jpg]](https://i.pinimg.com/1200x/e9/4f/43/e94f43ce8d68bdd771b12b3aa46d403f.jpg)
Such texts could have been explanations, as well as simply naming several asian locations, much more than african or european.
So I cannot carry on the idea of "Oresme" influence into VMS f68, even though Elli Velinska made a great find with that.
It may prove an common european understanding of the world here, at best.
RE: Water, earth and air - Koen G - 19-01-2026
RE: Water, earth and air - Jorge_Stolfi - 19-01-2026
RE: Water, earth and air - Rafal - 19-01-2026
RE: Water, earth and air - Jorge_Stolfi - 19-01-2026
RE: Water, earth and air - Rafal - 19-01-2026
RE: Water, earth and air - Koen G - 19-01-2026
RE: Water, earth and air - Stefan Wirtz_2 - 19-01-2026
RE: Water, earth and air - Jorge_Stolfi - 20-01-2026
RE: Water, earth and air - Stefan Wirtz_2 - 20-01-2026