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RE: To what extent should the translation respect the grammar? - MichelleL11 - 03-05-2022
(03-05-2022, 09:45 PM)nablator wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.All this does not make grammar absent, on the contrary: they tried to write as well as they could.
Adding in my experience in attempting to translate a multipart medical recipe from cipher to Latin to English. Please note I am working with an academic who has excellent Latin skills and I have lost count of the number of times he has said in response to my challenges to his possible readings based on my baby-steps Latin knowledge of correct forms and documented abbreviations : "Recipe writers in this time period really didn't care too much about following proper Latin grammar or entirely consistent abbreviations."
I have to keep telling myself, something as basic as consistent spelling was entirely optional. It is a distinct culture clash across the time span and decidedly no fun if the cipher was complex. But on the other hand, I don't let it slide so much as to provide "word salad."
I mean, we ultimately got the meaning of the text by allowing lots of freedom in verb, noun, and abbreviation forms but without (1) the context of "we know this is a recipe so this is likely either an ingredient, a step in the preparation, or an indication" and (2) the use of a "relatively consistent" 1:1 substitution cipher, and (3) the almost certainty the plaintext would be in Latin (which it was), it would have been significantly harder.
And dare I say it, maybe even impossible? But, that being said, I haven't given up hope on figuring out the pattern(s) of Voynichese yet.
RE: To what extent should the translation respect the grammar? - Koen G - 03-05-2022
RE: To what extent should the translation respect the grammar? - Ruby Novacna - 03-05-2022
RE: To what extent should the translation respect the grammar? - Ruby Novacna - 03-05-2022
RE: To what extent should the translation respect the grammar? - cvetkakocj@rogers.com - 04-05-2022
RE: To what extent should the translation respect the grammar? - ReneZ - 04-05-2022
RE: To what extent should the translation respect the grammar? - Helmut Winkler - 04-05-2022
RE: To what extent should the translation respect the grammar? - bi3mw - 04-05-2022
RE: To what extent should the translation respect the grammar? - Ruby Novacna - 04-05-2022
RE: To what extent should the translation respect the grammar? - Koen G - 04-05-2022