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RE: What is unique or rare about the VM Zodiac signs? - -JKP- - 08-12-2017
(08-12-2017, 09:30 AM)Koen Gh. wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Right, so I'll add for Libra unique (so far): "method of connecting chains to crossbar"
And perhaps a note saying that the perspective on the supports around the central spike is unusual?
Sagittarius: are his boots really laced, though? I can only see one line where the vertical part bends into the horizontal part.
I'll add with "rare" that the tail on his hat is exceptionally long and voluminous.
I would also add with "unique" that the trigger bar is attached on the wrong side of the nut, it should be between the user and the nut, not between the tip and the nut.
Also, would his facial hair style be a unique feature? I don't recall any Sagittarii with only a goatee, though it's not something I've always paid attention to.
And also, would a Leo with blue spots be considered rare or unique? For the sign, so excluding imagery from other sources.
Libra: Chains or cords (I think both were in use at the time). The VMS might be cords. It depends what it was used for. If for heavy items, chains, for light items, sometimes cords.
The narrow cups are also of interest. The shape of the cups also had to do with what was being measured. If it's something broad and fat (like a head of lettuce), a flat tray is better. If it's something small or that blows away easily, small deep cups are more practical. How accurate the Libra drawing is, I don't know, as I mentioned, the space around the spike is exaggerated.
Crossbow: I tried very hard to find a crossbow with the catch behind the trigger, but after looking at about 200+ real crossbows and old drawings, I haven't found one yet, so yes, the trigger should be behind the nut. As far as I know, a medieval crossbow was never built the other way around. If someone comes across one, they should post it.
Sagittarius: Hmmm, regarding laces, I may have confused him with another figure and I don't have time ATM to go through and figure out where I saw laces but if I do, I'll update.
The goatee is not unusual in manuscripts of guys wearing tunics in general (non-zodiacs) and it's not unusual for centaur- or satyr-Sagitarrius, but it is unusual in the human Sagittarius. It's difficult to tell if stained-glass images have goatees, because the leading is usually around the chin and is darker.
There's a naked Sagitarrius from Seckau, Sekava, Austria (c. 12th century and later) which MIGHT have a beard but the shading makes it hard to tell.
In Ludwig XII 8, there is a light beard or heavy goatee.
In other words, in Sagittarius with legs, there are only a couple with goatees and they are debatable. Rare.
Leo with spots is uncommon (some have a few spots along the edges to indicate shading, but not to indicate a spotted animal). When you find them, they are usually eastern zodiacs.
Leo with blue spots is rare. Excluding non-zodiac imagery, I only found six that were distinctly blue and they range from the 9th to the 14th centuries, from England and Germany. There are two bluish-gray (mostly gray) from Belgium, but no spots. There's also a bluish-gray one from France, but mostly gray and no spots.
I guess blue Leo went out of style. They don't have spots but Morgan MS M.729 has a stripy texture. BTW, the maneless lion is in Kitab al-Bulhan snd sometimes tigers rather than leopards are used. In Arabic manuscripts, the cat usually has a rider. There are several versions. The earlier Arabic astrology manuscripts tend to be textual rather than illustrated.
If you'd like to see Leo with a horse-neck and man-face, check out Royal MS 1.D.X. There's also one from Augsburg drawn like this.
So spots are rare and blue spots/paint dots might be unique to the VMS.
RE: What is unique or rare about the VM Zodiac signs? - Koen G - 08-12-2017
RE: What is unique or rare about the VM Zodiac signs? - -JKP- - 08-12-2017
RE: What is unique or rare about the VM Zodiac signs? - Koen G - 08-12-2017
RE: What is unique or rare about the VM Zodiac signs? - -JKP- - 08-12-2017
RE: What is unique or rare about the VM Zodiac signs? - Koen G - 08-12-2017
RE: What is unique or rare about the VM Zodiac signs? - Diane - 08-12-2017
RE: What is unique or rare about the VM Zodiac signs? - Koen G - 08-12-2017
RE: What is unique or rare about the VM Zodiac signs? - davidjackson - 08-12-2017
RE: What is unique or rare about the VM Zodiac signs? - Koen G - 09-12-2017