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RE: glyph [d] as a substitute for [p] and [f] - RenegadeHealer - 19-11-2019

@geoffreycaveney, I've been thinking more about your idea of the equivalence of [f], [p], and [d], and I think this idea has some merit regardless of what any of the glyphs might sound like or mean. In their study of Voynichese word structure, Marco and Emma talk about a couple of statistical facts that caught my attention:
  • [e] or [ee] can follow [t], [k], [cth], [ckh], [cfh], and [cph]. They cannot follow un-benched [f] or [p], though.
  • [ch] and [sh] can precede any gallows, benched or unbenched, but not a gallows that's followed by [ch] or [sh].
  • The core of a Voynichese syllable can be any gallows, benched or unbenched, or [r], [l], [s], [ls], or [d]. Besides the gallows, the only core letter that can be preceded by [ch] or [sh] is [d].
So I played around on Voynichese.com, searching for [*p*] and [*f*]. As we all know, vords containing these two glyphs tend to stick to the top lines of paragraphs, and labels. I looked for examples that had >1 token, and then searched for the same vord, except with [chd] in place of [cph] or [cfh]. Lo and behold, almost all of these turned out to be real vords, with token counts in the same order of magnitude as the version with [f] or [p]. Many were found later on the same pages. I do believe you may be onto something, Geoffrey.


I feel foolish asking this, but when you guys do statistical analyses on the VMS, do you just download the Takahashi transcription to a text file, open it with a word processor, enter Boolean search strings, and record the count of search results? Statistically analyzing texts isn't something I have much experience with, but am interested in learning. I want to do a more proper analysis, where I rank all types containing [p] or [f] by token count. Then next to each one in the second column, I want to compare the token count for the corresponding type containing [d] in place of [p] or [f], or [chd] or [shd] in place of [cph] or [cfh].

I'm warming to the hypothesis that [ch/sh + gallows] = [ee/se + gallows] = benched gallows. Which means I'm also warming to the idea that [ch] = [ee] and [se] = [sh]. I'm formulating a theory by which Brian Cham and David Jackson's "curve glyphs" [c], [e], [h], and [s] all have the same value, and that every vord can have between 0 and 6 of these "C-curves". There are rules about how these C-curves are connected, based on how many there are what other glyphs the vord contains, but the point being that the number of C-curves is a fundamental property of any given vord, an independent variable with seven possible values 0~6.

RE: glyph [d] as a substitute for [p] and [f] - -JKP- - 19-11-2019

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RE: glyph [d] as a substitute for [p] and [f] - RenegadeHealer - 19-11-2019

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RE: glyph [d] as a substitute for [p] and [f] - MarcoP - 19-11-2019

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