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RE: Morten St George Theory - Linda - 05-03-2019
(05-03-2019, 09:11 PM)nablator wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(05-03-2019, 07:40 AM)Linda wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.PHILIP II AUGUSTUS, 1165-1223, watches heretics burn during the Crusade against the Albigensians in 1209, manuscript illumination from the Grandes Chroniques de St Denis, c. 1400I suppose it is from one of the many versions of the Grande Chronique and derived manuscripts. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
It was pretty specific about not being your bonfire. So it would make no difference to discuss whether or not this spire or that matches the vms unless you want to move your massacre down to this one, but even then, they are likely imagined, since it is 200 years later.
There may be a conflation of two separate episodes because the text below the illustration identifies the king "Philippe Dieudonné" a.k.a. Philippe II Auguste and the heretics: "amoriciens" (Almaricians), the disciples of Amaury de Bène. However the scenery does not look much like Paris (where 10 heretics were burned in 1210), with the generic rock or mountain in the background... The description matches the illustration from the Bibliothèque municipale de Lyon, Ms P.A. 30 (another version of the Grande Chronique de France) : You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the illustrations posted by JKP.
(1st link) The first version (offered to king Philippe III in 1274) stops at year 1223.
(2nd link) This later version of the Chronicle stops at year 1380.
1380 may as well be 1400 in terms of believing any of the illustrations show real site situations, or the clothing they wore at the time. In this case there is no architecture, but Morten may possibly feel better that the king now wears a crown.
What i was trying to say earlier was that if you wanted a witness eye view of what happened in 1244, whether at Montsegur or elsewhere, you won't get it from manuscripts done up 40 to 60 years later that covered events only to 1223. Not to mention that illustrations cannot be trusted from the getgo, they are not photographs, they are artist's renditions, even if done sitting in a lawnchair at the very event it depicts.
RE: Morten St George Theory - nablator - 05-03-2019
RE: Morten St George Theory - -JKP- - 05-03-2019
RE: Morten St George Theory - Morten St. George - 06-03-2019
RE: Morten St George Theory - Linda - 06-03-2019
RE: Morten St George Theory - Linda - 06-03-2019
RE: Morten St George Theory - Koen G - 06-03-2019
RE: Morten St George Theory - Morten St. George - 06-03-2019
RE: Morten St George Theory - -JKP- - 06-03-2019
RE: Morten St George Theory - Morten St. George - 06-03-2019