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RE: Matching planet labels - oshfdk - 18-10-2023
(18-10-2023, 09:14 AM)nablator wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(18-10-2023, 08:21 AM)oshfdk wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One note of interest, of all these labels "okal" is by far the most common in VMS, occurring over 500 times. If, hypothetically, we are talking about a codex inspired by Roman/Greek pre-Christian beliefs, Jupiter could be called Jove/Iove/Deus/Zeus (which could explain the angle of the chart on f67r2: this label is on top there, and putting Jove on top should be natural for Jupiter worshipers).The labels for planets that we see in diagrams in Latin manuscripts often use the genitive case, that's why we get Veneris and Jovis instead of Venus and Jupiter. The modern conventions for writing Latin consonants v/j and vowels u/i differently did not apply of course: a cipher would use only u/i letters, not v/j.
Nobody ever called Jupiter/Zeus Deus, the Greek genitive would be You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
If there is a system for enciphering, the positional rigidity of Voynichese and low conditional entropy being what they are, it is unlikely that more than a few letters could be enciphered in such short labels, a mnemonic or abbreviation maybe?
I doubt there were any Jupiter worshipers as late as the 15th century. Classical antiquity was a huge source of inspiration for the Renaissance, but always in a Christian framework.
That's interesting. I have almost no knowledge of Latin or Greek. In any case, as far as I understand, Deus was an extremely common word for the God in medieval Europe, so if the Voynich manuscript is a medieval European creation in Latin, it could use Deus for God, even if the God in question is not the Christian god. What I have in mind is maybe some small local cult of Jupiter, inspired by Roman/Greek traditions, which I assume were known in the middle ages despite all the attempts to suppress alt religions. It's a stretch, I know, that's why I'm saying I'm not ready to posit (that is, defend) this hypothesis.
(18-10-2023, 09:14 AM)nablator wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If there is a system for enciphering, the positional rigidity of Voynichese and low conditional entropy being what they are, it is unlikely that more than a few letters could be enciphered in such short labels, a mnemonic or abbreviation maybe?
When you say conditional entropy you probably refer to text ngram entropy (randomness of a character given n preceding or following letters). It doesn't apply directly to distance ciphers, because distance ciphers introduce the variable of, well, distance. So, "alar al daiin" is different from "alar al daiin" in a distance cipher. Having said that, okal has no obvious distance variations per se, however if it's a popular syllable combination, it could be that short and still encoded in full.
RE: Matching planet labels - oshfdk - 18-10-2023
RE: Matching planet labels - Aga Tentakulus - 18-10-2023
RE: Matching planet labels - nablator - 18-10-2023
RE: Matching planet labels - oshfdk - 18-10-2023
RE: Matching planet labels - oshfdk - 18-10-2023
RE: Matching planet labels - nablator - 18-10-2023
RE: Matching planet labels - oshfdk - 18-10-2023
RE: Matching planet labels - nablator - 18-10-2023
RE: Matching planet labels - oshfdk - 18-10-2023