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How woud an attack work? Spiral text as Rev. 6:14. - Koen G - 11-08-2021
In the "sky" part of the top-right rosette, there is a line of Voynichese text in a spiral. Some time ago, by coincidence, I noticed a similar "spiral in the sky" in depictions of Revelation 6:14: "The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up". I didn't pursue this any further since depictions of the event are really rare and it I didn't think Revelation as a whole was relevant to the Rosettes page (I still don't think so, but that's beside the point).
But now I'm thinking: no matter what one's view is on the Rosettes page, we are looking at a medieval document and a quote from the Bible is always possible. So even if I wouldn't know what to do with this on the level of the analysis of the whole page, it may still be interesting to consider this line of Voynichese in isolation and compare it to the bible verse.
Since there are a lot of variables involved and I believe in the power of collaboration, I wonder if you guys are interested in trying this exercise here together. There are a number of advantages why this particular parallel is suitable:
- It is a theory-neutral proposition. I am just putting the possibility out there that a particular line of scripture is used, which can be applied to many contexts. It stands alone to be tested neutrally.
- For example, various people believe the foldout to depict cosmic events, and/or the top right some kind of disaster like flooding. This line from revelation about a rolled-up-scroll-sky may have come to mind to the maker even if the page has no religious meaning overall.
- The text spirals itself, imitating the movement of the heavens being rolled up and reinforcing the parallel with a scroll. Assuming this interpretation is correct, the line of text itself does what it is about.
- This means that we can compare an isolated line of Voynichese: the one that rolls like a scroll...
- ... to a concrete, limited piece of plaintext.
- The fact that we have a whole line of text may provide a whole different dynamic than trying to match individual words separately. It means not only nouns but verbs! Grammar!
- Even if it is all for nothing, we may still learn something.
- Various bible versions and languages
- This is a limited version of what Nick Pelling calls the Block Paradigm: you take a chunk of Voynichese and try to (force)match it to an expected plain text. How does one do this? How do you call (partial) success? How do you call defeat?
- We know which piece of scripture must certainly be included, but we don't know which surrounding verses may have been included as well, if any. Just for reference, here is a larger passage:
Quote:12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”
Anyway, I would love to undertake this as a forum project if some people are interested. I personally see it as a test of how to tackle a problem like this more than a surefire way to cracking the VM, but the process may still be interesting.
Edit: I will add A screenshot of the relevant VM text spiral as well as my attempt to "straighten it".
RE: How woud an attack work? Spiral text as Rev. 6:14. - byatan - 11-08-2021
RE: How woud an attack work? Spiral text as Rev. 6:14. - DONJCH - 11-08-2021
RE: How woud an attack work? Spiral text as Rev. 6:14. - Searcher - 11-08-2021
RE: How woud an attack work? Spiral text as Rev. 6:14. - bi3mw - 11-08-2021
RE: How woud an attack work? Spiral text as Rev. 6:14. - Koen G - 11-08-2021
RE: How woud an attack work? Spiral text as Rev. 6:14. - bi3mw - 11-08-2021
RE: How woud an attack work? Spiral text as Rev. 6:14. - nablator - 11-08-2021
RE: How woud an attack work? Spiral text as Rev. 6:14. - MarcoP - 11-08-2021
RE: How woud an attack work? Spiral text as Rev. 6:14. - Searcher - 11-08-2021