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Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source. - Koen G - 17-12-2025 For a long time, the only attestation of "poxleber" known to Voynich researchers was in a 16th century burlesque carnival play by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. In the dialogue, uncivilized characters use various compound words consisting of "pox-" combined with a body part. Pox belly, pox wounds, pox bones, pox liver... Even in ancient cultures, the custom existed to swear oaths by the Gods, and this persisted in medieval and early modern Europe. The earlier practice was to swear by parts of God's body. If you swear something by Christ's five holy wounds, or any other part of his earthly manifestation, you're making it clear that you mean it. Obviously the priest doesn't like it when you do this, so people come up with euphemistic "minced oaths" to avoid actually saying the word "God". In modern English we have "gosh" or "golly", in Dutch "pot" as in "potverdomme", in Frech the "bleu" in "sacrebleu". In 14th century English, "God" is replaced by minced forms like "gog" and "cock" (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.). The attestation in the 16th century Fastnachtspiele is such a case where "poxleber" is used as a minced form of "Gotts Leber", "God's liver". I have regularly opposed the relevance of this fragment for f116v, exactly because of this context. You can have a boorish carnivalesque character use "poxleber" in a dialogue, but that doesn't mean we should expect a scribe (any scribe) to use it out of the sacreblue. It's as if Henry Gray would write "D'oh! I used the wrong graph here!" in the margins while preparing his famous book on human anatomy. Yesterday, I came across a sermon book by Viennese Theologian, professor and historian You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., active in the first half of the 15th century (a century before Hans Sachs). The MS is BSB CLM 293, f.310r (scan 623). You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I can't transcribe this kind of Latin, but luckily Marco was able to help: ChatGPT translates the (incomplete) transcription like this: Quote:There are to be reproved those who swear by shameful creatures, likewise thinking themselves not bound, as when they say “pox grmt poxlaus zais”, since in such words the Creator of those things still shines forth. Those who swear falsely in this way are perjurers and sinners. Why does this matter? The "minced oath" interpretation of "poxleber" is still quite popular. But so far, we only had a century-late attestation in a dissimilar source. Now, we have a sermon by someone active in pre-1450 Vienna, complaining about "pox" swearing by the people. What this passage teaches us:
What this means for the Voynich "poxleber":
What remains: the preceding paragraph also contains some pox, but I am unable to transcribe the Latin. Also, the German phrases appear to be renditions of spoken language and are hard for me to understand fully. Edit: added MS link. RE: Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source. - MarcoP - 17-12-2025 RE: Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source. - JoJo_Jost - 17-12-2025 RE: Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source. - JoJo_Jost - 17-12-2025 RE: Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source. - Bluetoes101 - 17-12-2025 RE: Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source. - MarcoP - 17-12-2025 RE: Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source. - JoJo_Jost - 17-12-2025 RE: Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source. - JoJo_Jost - 17-12-2025 RE: Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source. - Koen G - 17-12-2025 RE: Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source. - RobGea - 17-12-2025 |