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-JKP- · (This post was last modified: 05-10-2019, 04:26 AM by -JKP-.)

(05-10-2019, 03:30 AM)Linda wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(05-10-2019, 12:36 AM)-JKP- wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Mark, I know you've been working on this in a dedicated way and you are also honest about crediting which parts of the ideas you got from Nick. I have no doubt you are really trying to solve it, not just trying to get something published that makes it look like you're ahead of the pack (which is the impression I get from this paper which seems superficial and which credits a lot of out-of-date sources and none of the recent ones).

Not sure what you consider recent, and I can see some of the points you made in your review, but do remember, Jeurgen's paper is from early 2014, it could not include more recent info than that.

I don't think this forum was here yet, the old ones hadn't yet been archived, it didn't seem very easy to find voynich info if you came into it new around that time, as i did later the same year.

I found the paper interesting enough, maybe my almost complete lack of voynich knowledge at the time coloured my view of it, but i still consider it of interest, and his other papers too.

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I didn't know it was that old. There's no date anywhere on the paper and I looked all over academia.edu for a date and didn't see one.

Then some of my comments don't necessarily apply. I have no idea when Diane posted her analysis of the "map" folio or what she had said by 2014 (and I still haven't seen her analysis of the map).

I also don't know when people originally connected the folio to elements (or whether it was discussed on the original mailing list, which was before my time), but that's the kind of idea that seems to me to be one of the more obvious possibilities. I've blogged about it also, and even though I came to the thought on my own, I don't ask any credit for the general idea (maybe the particulars, but not the idea itself) because it's one of those that I assume has crossed many minds, just as I assume many people see the folio as a map even if they haven't studied the VMS.

I still feel the same way about my D'Imperio and Hyde/Rugg comments, however. D'Imperio's comment is too old to be relevant to the map folio and they shouldn't have used it, and the Hyde/Rugg example was a bad example (at least the way they worded it).