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(01-11-2022, 12:19 AM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For me, this is not a problem. If the MS text was the result of a truly arbitrary process, then we would expect to be able to predict such frequencies, but in case it is meaningful language, then not.
Compare English:
bat - bet - bit - bot - but
cat - cet - cit - cot - cut
Tehre is no pattern in the frequencies
(Dislcaimer: just the first example I could think of).
Words in the Voynich text doesn't behave like in the "bat - bet - bit - bot - but" example. There is not only a small 2 dimensional grid but a whole network:
qokeedy (305) qokeedy (305) qokeedy (305) qoteedy (74) qoteedy (74) qoteedy ( 74)
qokedy (272) qokeey (308) okeedy (105) qotedy (91) qoteey (42) oteedy (100)
qokdy ( 4) qokey (107) keedy ( 53) qotey (24) qotey (24) teedy ( 13)
qoky (147) qoky (147) kedy ( 44) qoty (87) qoty (87) tedy ( 42)
qok ( 9) qoy ( 9) key ( 14) qot ( 7) qoy ( 9) tey ( 11)
qo ( 29) qy ( 3) ky ( 25) qo (29) qy ( 3) ty ( 16)
To achieve something similar longer words and multiple changes would be required. Something like:
acaut aceut aciut acout acuut
acat acet acit acot acut
cat cet cit cot cut
bat bet bit bot but
abat abet abit abot abut
abaut abeut abiut about abuut
There are patterns in the frequencies, e.g. <ee> is more common than <e> and <eee> and <ok> tends to be more common than <ot>. The general rule is that "high frequency tokens also tend to have high numbers of similar words" [see Timm & Schinner 2019, p. 6].
qokeeedy ( 5) qoteeedy ( 3)
qokeedy (305) qoteedy ( 74)
qokedy (272) qotedy ( 91)
qokeeey ( 26) qoteeey ( 4)
qokeey (308) qoteey ( 42)
qokey (107) qotey ( 24)
okeeedy ( 9) oteeedy ( 3)
okeedy (105) oteedy (100)
okedy (118) otedy (155)
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