08-05-2017, 07:25 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-05-2017, 07:27 PM by Diane.
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Koen,
That's an interesting point. The documentary evidence about using cards in Europe - for whatever reason - pre-dates the Vms by about three generations, (I'm counting evidence from Spain here) and there's an allusion to use of cards as aids to memory in a story of the Alf Layla wa Layla (1,001 nights), whose compilation is generally dated to the 12thC.
Legend associates the 'Charles V' cards with that same king who received the Catalan Atlas In 1375 and as (ahem) I was first to point out, the King of coins is Mansa Musa, as pictured on its worldmap. That one item from a little of the research I put online, was widely taken up, but few seemed to link it to a document of 1377 or 1378... sorry, I did that research 20 yrs ago... where Dominican friar speaks of the ludus cartarum in a way that led Dummett to describe it as a 'geographic game'.
*Dummett - Professor Michael Dummett was Professor of Logic at Oxford. Author of 'The Game of Tarot'.
The point being, of course, that the content in that particular set of cards, and the sources on which the painters drew for the paintings in Padua and Ferrara are all earlier than manufacture of the Vms.
Hope you liked the lobster.
That's an interesting point. The documentary evidence about using cards in Europe - for whatever reason - pre-dates the Vms by about three generations, (I'm counting evidence from Spain here) and there's an allusion to use of cards as aids to memory in a story of the Alf Layla wa Layla (1,001 nights), whose compilation is generally dated to the 12thC.
Legend associates the 'Charles V' cards with that same king who received the Catalan Atlas In 1375 and as (ahem) I was first to point out, the King of coins is Mansa Musa, as pictured on its worldmap. That one item from a little of the research I put online, was widely taken up, but few seemed to link it to a document of 1377 or 1378... sorry, I did that research 20 yrs ago... where Dominican friar speaks of the ludus cartarum in a way that led Dummett to describe it as a 'geographic game'.
*Dummett - Professor Michael Dummett was Professor of Logic at Oxford. Author of 'The Game of Tarot'.
The point being, of course, that the content in that particular set of cards, and the sources on which the painters drew for the paintings in Padua and Ferrara are all earlier than manufacture of the Vms.
Hope you liked the lobster.