26-02-2016, 03:39 PM
(26-02-2016, 09:36 AM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thanks Helmut. I have the printed transcription of the entry, not the original handwriting. Assuming that it is accurate, I am not sure how to parse the sentence:
Ein philosophisch alt geschriben buch mit figurn und ein copey uff pergamen geschriben vom Mathes Dörrer, ungebunden, welchs nit gantz beysamen und herr Haiden auß bevelch I. Mt: etliche bletter davon genommen.
I have three main uncertainties:
1. Does copey really mean 'copy' in the modern sense of the word? The catalogue clearly indicates one entry, so there should not be two books (original and copy).
2. Is it: (Ein philo..... figurn) und (ein copey.... geschriben) or:
Ein .... buch mit (figurn und ein copey) uff pergamen ....
3. Does 'vom' specifically refer back to geschriben? This is how I would read it, but it implies that the author is known: Mathes Dörrer. It could also be that he made 'the copy'.
Mr. Haiden is well known, but I found nothing about Mathes Dörrer. It could also be Dürer, Derrer or possibly other versions....
Good questions, René.
Even in English, when we say a copy of, it's not always clear whether we mean, "a page of" (an original copy) or "a copied version of" (a later copy) and it's difficult to interpret here as well.
"A philosophical book in old[-style] handwriting, with illustrations" and after that I'm as unsure as you are of exactly what is meant by "copey". It almost sounds as if the whole thing has been copied, by Mathes Dörrer, onto parchment (unbound) and is not completely together (does it mean it's not a complete copy?) and Haiden also has some pages, but it's really not clear... and your point about the entry being for two books rather than one makes sense if there were a full copy included.
One possibility (just brainstorming here)... Could the entry mean that there is one book (the original?) in the catalog and the one by Dörrer is known to exist but is not part of the collection, just as the pages in the possession of Haiden are mentioned but are not included with the original "philosophical" book?