17-12-2025, 03:16 PM
(17-12-2025, 02:39 PM)Koen G wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Again though, you typically wouldn't use "pin" for a toothache. Your examples refer to:
- torment of fire
- someone who gave birth without suffering (not sure if this is in a religious context)
- literal torture of suspects
- distress, trouble...
- struggle of battle
- it causes great distress/torture to the devil when...
Note the prevalence of the forms "pin" or "pine". "Pinen" is grammatical, but rare in comparison.
I don't understand this objection?? I have merely demonstrated that it is not only used in a spiritual sense, but in various contexts and in the 15th century. I don't think I need to do more than that. It is a coherent translation option, it makes some sense, the letters match except for one, and what reasonable words would you expect in a marginal note after the word "Poxleber"
????But okay, here sources:
Full text of "Drei Koelner Schwankbuecher Aus Dem XVten Jahrhundert"
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„… sind zu faul, zu ‘pinen’; sie trinken lieber einen guten Schluck.“ here, however, as toiling, struggling, tormenting oneself
and Neidhart-Fuchs-Druck (Augsburg, um 1495): „Hie schenckt Neithart wein vnd ließ pinen under die pauren.“

