13-08-2026, 09:58 PM
(This post was last modified: 13-08-2026, 10:00 PM by Jorge_Stolfi.)
(13-08-2026, 06:43 AM)JoJo_Jost wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You guys didn't want to believe that the "8" could be written larger than lowercase letters—I proved that.
But while your examples are indeed a bit taller than minim-height, they are still smaller than the "8"s of f116v, and, more importantly, very different in shape and stroke order. They do not prove your point al all.
Quote:You guys refused to believe that the “8” as an “s” can appear not only at the end of a word but also within a word. I proved that too ... And now the counterargument [is that] the first example involves “two words written together” (what kind of argument is that, the 8 IS in the middle!)
I suppose you are aware that Germanwriters have the disconcertinghabit of omitting wordspaces in longnominalphrases.
Quote:in the second example, syllables or endings have to be taken into account?
The counterclaim is that the special "small 8" letter "s" shape can be used at the end of a word even when that word is part of a compound noun. The first example would fit this hypothetical rule. The second example could fit it if the writer thought of the "lin" as a word that was joined to "spis" by the German word-sticking habit, rather than an inflection. That is why your point wouldbe helped by an example of a word ending in "-sen" with a small-8 letter "s".
Quote:Even if you don’t like that because it weakens your theory that this is a desperate attempt to reconstruct Voynichese, you need significantly (!) more assumptions to support this thesis.
Again, the only assumptions that my theory needs are (1) originally there were three lines of Voynichese script on f116v, and (2) whoever tried to repair the damage did not know the Voynichese alphabet and did not realize that the text had to be Voynichese. Everything else is either facts well-supported by evidence from the images, or a natural consequences of those facts and assumptions.
Quote:The likelihood that it’s just a normal charm in the form of a marginal note is much higher. Especially since there are so many German words in it
You need many more assumptions. For half the words,you must assume that they mean something in some hypothetical obscure dialect of German, even though they don't sound German or Latin at all. For those that you think have meaning:
- “palsen = balsam” -- you must assume that the "8" is an "s".
- "the typical Charm words six marix morix vix" -- there is no example of a charm with those words, is there?
- "gas = es af" -- you must assume that the "g" is an "e" smashed with a third form of the "s" letter.
All the best, --stolfi


, the 8 IS in the middle!)![[+]](https://www.voynich.ninja/images/collapse_collapsed.png)