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• RE: Sleeve focus thread

  MarcoP > 05-10-2019, 07:26 AM

  Sorry for the off-topic: nothing to add about sleeves.
  The illustration in the manuscript pointed out by arca_libraria You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. seems to me a good parallel also in terms of layout. 
  

  • The large zodiac medallion at the center of the page.
    
  • Text running around the circle as a frame to the figure.
    
  • The presence of "decorative" astral bodies (sun, moon and a constellation). While stars often appear on the bodies of zodiac figures, as more or less accurate hints to their original link with constellations, here the astral bodies appear in a larger, concentric circle, outside the central frame. This is vaguely comparable both with the stars held by the "nymphs" and with the stars inside a few medallions (Pisces, Virgo, Scorpio). The visual similarity is not as strong as the other two points above, but this arrangement is something rather unique.
    

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  -JKP- > 05-10-2019, 07:28 AM

  Maybe the archer is Robin Hood.

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  arca_libraria > 06-10-2019, 04:40 PM

  Thanks for sharing this manuscript Marco - I assumed it was one you had all seen before.

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  -JKP- > 10-10-2019, 04:21 AM

  Woman with plain neckline and long sleeve openings that are not cut-through style, man with sleeves narrow at the wrist and very wide at the elbows.
  
  (It's not easy to find both of these clothing styles together in one picture. Often if the man is dressed like this, the woman has narrow sleeves (like the picture on the right) or cut-through sleeves (which might say something about social class):
  
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  From Thomas de Saluces , Le Chevalier errant, BNF Français 12559 c. 1404
  
  
  I think it's possible that the small subgroup of zodiac figures that included romantic couples for Gemini and goatee-man for Sagittarius might have been inspired by popular stories like this, which would have been orated (they are often in verse) or acted out by traveling troupes.
  
  
  Also of interest, from the same manuscript, properties expressed in mappa mundi style (with a reference underneath to Alexander conquering the world which I assume is probably Alexander the Great?):
  
     

• RE: Sleeve focus thread

  R. Sale > 10-10-2019, 09:45 PM

  And if you look closely in the third illustration, in the dark blue band, a very carefully drawn, nebuly line based cloud-band pattern.

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  Koen G > 17-11-2020, 09:09 PM

  I was confused by this image from Paris, Bibl. Mazarine, 1334. The men have exaggeratedly baggy sleeves, closed at the wrist, while the women still wear tippets, typical for the 14th century. I assumed it must represent a transitional stage, but the date I found initially was a super wide "14th-15th century". You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. gives 1390-1409, which confirms my suspicion.
  
  
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