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• How would you express this in EVA?

  Koen G > 28-01-2021, 03:58 PM

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• RE: How would you express this in EVA?

  ReneZ > 28-01-2021, 04:14 PM

  You're beginning to see the problem

• RE: How would you express this in EVA?

  Koen G > 28-01-2021, 04:50 PM

  Heheheh yeah

• RE: How would you express this in EVA?

  ReneZ > 28-01-2021, 05:01 PM

  And, dodging the question again, how would you express this in any transliteration system?

• RE: How would you express this in EVA?

  Koen G > 28-01-2021, 05:41 PM

  Yeah, that is of course the real question. I say EVA because it's the one we all use. But how do we express this at all?

• RE: How would you express this in EVA?

  -JKP- > 28-01-2021, 07:36 PM

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  I've spent a lot of time looking at the VMS text, four transcripts (one of which is also a concordance), I'm familiar with the different hands and the way they write specific characters, and I find this less difficult than some sections. Here is how I would interpret this in EVA.
  
  The first character is rounded. It's not r. The one before ain is a little harder to be sure, it might be s or r. The last round one might be "a" but I am leaning toward "o" based on looking at so many chars and because I think the line belongs to the descender of the character above. The others are more clear than in many parts of the manuscript. So I think this is one of these possibilities:
  
  s or chy r ain or
  s or chy s ain or
  
  [font=Eva]s or chy s/r ain ar[/font]
  
  
  If the VMS were only a paragraph or a page, we would be in trouble. But it's 30,000+ tokens. There are enough clear ones to figure out what is going on... I think.

• RE: How would you express this in EVA?

  Koen G > 28-01-2021, 07:51 PM

  To me, the four s/r glyphs form a continuum from c-with tail to minim-with tail, in the order 1, 3, 2, 4. 
  The first circle is clearly "o". The second is clearly EVA-a built from an i-minim. The second one is built like an o, but it connects at the bottom.
  
  I accept that this line is probably relatively easy. Here's the problem though:
  
  s or chy s ain or (JKP)
  s or chy s ain ar (ZL)
  s os chy sain or (voynichese.com)
  
  That's three differences between ZL and voynichese.com in a simple, tiny line of text. What does this mean for the MS as a whole?

• RE: How would you express this in EVA?

  -JKP- > 28-01-2021, 07:54 PM

  I think the last "a" is an illusion. The tail from the y on the line above is very long and connects with the letter. If I HAD to choose whether it is "a" or "o", I would choose "o" based on how the second stroke loops back to the left on the bottom, and is "soft" on the top (notice how the second stroke on the clear "a" sticks up above the first stroke and is straighter).

• RE: How would you express this in EVA?

  Helmut Winkler > 28-01-2021, 07:57 PM

  Plautus, Pseudulus 21-30
  
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• RE: How would you express this in EVA?

  -JKP- > 28-01-2021, 09:16 PM

  These might not be the best examples, they are ones I could grab quickly, but they give a sense of how much variation occurs when the two strokes of EVA-o do not match up perfectly.
  
  The main reason I think these are "o" rather than "a" is that there is no straight stem on the right and the top-right loop is rounded:
  
  
  
  Some are questionable, like 82r. In the cases where I couldn't tell, I included both variations in the transcript.
  
  
  For comparison, some examples of Eva-a:
  
  
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