I suppose it is worth revisiting this manuscript, because two things in it could be related to the region of the present day Slovenia:
In Ormož (near Celje)  there was a third oldest farmacy in Europe, after Paris and Dubrovnik. It was founded after VM had been written, though.  However, the nearby Sieitz (Žiče) Charterhouse, which served as the Grand Carthusia while the pope was in Avignon, had well known pharmacy and second largest library in Europe at the time. Its prior at the time was Stefan Macone from Siena. It is possible they also had works of Hermanus of Carinthia (a 12th century writer) who spent some time in the Middle East and upon returning settled in Spain, where he translated Arabic works, and from there he went to France.

The monks and craftsmen were brought from Palestine (or maybe from Armenia) to build the church at Ptujska Gora (near Celje).

There was a strong Jewish community in Ptuj in the medieval times.


The Students from Slovenian region were attending the Padua university before the Vienna University was founded. (More about this can be found on my last post where I explore the possible co-authors of the VM.

Welfs were definitely related to Carinthia, since they were their dukes. In Koper, a swallow tale merlons can still be seen on the building, and the square on are still seen on the castle of the Counts of Celje in Celje.
Welfs I was the son of Conrad of Auxerre. Both of these names can be related to Slovenian language: Conrad in Slovenian means : hores + like - the lover of horses. The region around Lake Constance was populated by the germanizes Slavic people. In the second half of the 15th century, the Slovenian Thomas Preloka of Celje was a bishop of Constance and the prince of the Palatine. Prior, he was also teaching Frederic's son (future HR Emperor Maximillian) Slovenian language. It is believed he also wrote Slovenian Grammar book and a dictionary.

(21-07-2022, 09:35 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I guess the problem is that "possibly German" is hard to put on a map. Also, if I remember correctly, we noticed a focus on the south of Italy in certain sections, so I wouldn't be surprised if this MS is from Naples. Or Milan, or Venice, or even Germany. But it's hard to put this on the map.

Yes, that makes sense.  Shoot -- it's in the right time period but we just don't know.  I wanted to review this more carefully (fully understand the pros and cons for the various possible locations) and will do so.  If any academic has picked this up beyond what has been noted in the string, or if I have anything to add to the conversation, I'll definitely report back -- likely "necroing" the string about the manuscript itself.

Thanks for considering it as an addition to the map but I see the problem.

   
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Found 2 more castles.
Castel Masegra
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Castle Campell
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At Masegra, the battlements are still visible. See picture.
At Campell, battlements safe until 1400. Second construction phase 13 - 14 century. Probably disappeared in 1635.

But interesting is the coat of arms of the owners.
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Not exactly in the timeframe but as a reference as it was one of the first Renessaince castles outside Italy.

Castillo de La Calahorra is located in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., in the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., Spain. It is situated in the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. foothills. Built between 1509 and 1512, it was one of the first Italian Renaissance castles to be built outside Italy.

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Interesting, and as you noted, something that was a transplant of sorts.

Also look at the details of the merlons. A swallowtail merlon has an outer edge that is straight vertical from top to bottom. These merlons change direction at the top. Also, I believe I see an example of light coming through at the base of one of the merlons. It is almost possible to imagine that these merlons are each a representation of a mini fortress showing two joined towers with pointed roofs, but it's a bit too hazy.

(06-09-2021, 08:31 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Bottom-right is a device from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (late XV Century). It is labelled "Trezio" and could refer to the town of Trezzo d'Adda.

Not sure if it's been noted already (couldn't find a previous mention) but the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (1370s-1416) depiction re-imagined in the 1880s includes swallowtail merlons (seemingly extrapolated from one surviving attached to one of the abutments).

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(21-07-2022, 03:08 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I suppose it is worth revisiting this manuscript, because two things in it could be related to the region of the present day Slovenia

Also in Slovenia, the third wall of the town of Piran has ghibelline merlons but it was built between 1470 and 1538. It is the only wall still nearly completely intact. The first wall was built in the 7th century but very little of it survives and none with ghibellines. The second wall was built at the end of the 13th century when Piran came under Venetian rule. That wall may have had ghibellines but little of it remains.

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Also, two structures related to the Challant family, originally of France, later Aosta, Italy, were constructed with ghibellines. The first is the Chateau Saint-Maire in Lausanne, Switzerland, which was constructed in 1397-1425 by the Bishops of Lausanne, with completion by Guillaume de Challant. The roof was extended and the ghibellines filled, likely in the 16th century, but you can still see their structure in the facade.

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The other structure is the Aymavilles Castle in Aosta, Italy, which was originally built c. 1287 and then given to the Challant family, specifically Aimone de Challant, by the Counts of Savoy in 1354. At the beginning of the 15th century, his son, Amedeo, had the four towers constructed, two with guelph merlons and two with ghibellines. The towers continue to stand today as built, though they have since been renovated.

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