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• RE: Is the VMS a work of female authors ?

  Koen G > 11-08-2022, 10:07 PM

  The etymology of 'beguine' is unclear, but apparently it ultimately has something to do with a French word for stuttering, stammering. What I didn't know is that the male order (who imitated the original female beguines) deteriorated and quickly got negative associations attached to them. Apparently the English word 'beg' - ask for money - is derived from the male order.

• RE: Is the VMS a work of female authors ?

  nablator > 11-08-2022, 11:16 PM

  (11-08-2022, 07:58 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Are the ring and cross the attributes of Colette of Corbie?

  Her standard attributes in Christian iconography are a well and a chicken.
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• RE: Is the VMS a work of female authors ?

  Hermes777 > 11-08-2022, 11:18 PM

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  Hi, Koen, is it possible that there was a relationship between the Bogomil (Cathari, Patareni) women being persecuted would re-surface as a Catholic religious sect. I studied the Bogomils for an article I wrote a couple of years ago, and I learned that Bogomil women were founding schools and hospitals and lived in comunes. They were originally  iconoclasts and their interpreted the bible symbolically. 
  There are several towns and villages in the present day Slovenia called Begunje, one of the main one being near Bled, which in the 15th century was in the possession of the Bishop of Brixen. 
  In Slovenian, beg means 'running away from danger'.
  One more thing, the medieval spirituality in Slovenia in the 15th century was greatly influenced by Via Moderna and German mysics, such as Nicholas of Cusa and Henry Susa.
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  Nicholas of Cusa was Bishop of Brixen. So he was bishop of Bled and other Slovenian areas for a time. There was the opportunity for his influence to be direct and substantial. On this point, I find the cosmology in the Voynich to be well-described as 'Cusean' and so I detect the influence of Nicholas. But his influence was widespread and may have proceeded his appointment to the region.

• RE: Is the VMS a work of female authors ?

  R. Sale > 12-08-2022, 12:55 AM

  nablator,
  
  Very interesting, when was the iconography put in place? During her lifetime? Probably not. Probably either with beatification or canonization.
  
  'Attributes' was my word. Technically it appears to be the wrong word. Nevertheless, the ring and the cross are significant items in her biography, and they would function as indicators of her identity for those familiar with the relevant information, prior to the formal iconographic attributes being assigned.
  
  Is there any better, alternative interpretation where a ring and a cross are both relevant?

• RE: Is the VMS a work of female authors ?

  Searcher > 25-08-2022, 04:18 PM

  I recently wrote a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that touches upon this theme a lot. Actually, I don't give an answer to the question of the topic, but express some thoughts about why Quire 13 looks like it is, i. e. depicting nude female figures in liquids. Partly, I already wrote about this, so it is rather a continuation. 
  I invite all interested.

• RE: Is the VMS a work of female authors ?

  Ranceps > 17-10-2022, 10:40 PM

  (10-08-2022, 09:49 PM)pauls_3d_things Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Has anyone compared the VMS drawings with the texts of Hildegard von Bingen?

  
  More and more I am looking into Hildegard of Bingen, the more I see the connection between Lingua Ignota as a predecessor of the Voynichese. The author might not be her, but somebody who wrote the MS408 in the spirit of Hildegarde (some kind of successor who continued her work).
  
  That would indeed explain the high-german (if so) at the end of the manuscript. Let’s assume a monk, long (200+ years) time after she died, found her scribblings, trying to put those into order. You would not want to translate that into pure latin as some of hers ideas were not orthodox or she put too much effort into hiding it. No, if you understand the text, you would try to continue, invent and try to hide the knowledge even more so only you would understand what a Saint person wrote. The Bingen monastery was destroyed in 1632, so the key could be lost..
  
  The MS408 cosmos would indeed fit into hers, maybe a bit “colored” by somebody who didn’t had a visions like her. Also, she was illiterate like our author could be… 
  
  I am going to write something about that in a matter of weeks. Still trying to clear some connections.

• RE: Is the VMS a work of female authors ?

  Hermes777 > 17-10-2022, 11:18 PM

  (17-10-2022, 10:40 PM)Ranceps Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (10-08-2022, 09:49 PM)pauls_3d_things Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Has anyone compared the VMS drawings with the texts of Hildegard von Bingen?

  
  More and more I am looking into Hildegard of Bingen, the more I see the connection between Lingua Ignota as a predecessor of the Voynichese. The author might not be her, but somebody who wrote the MS408 in the spirit of Hildegarde (some kind of successor who continued her work).
  
  That would indeed explain the high-german (if so) at the end of the manuscript. Let’s assume a monk, long (200+ years) time after she died, found her scribblings, trying to put those into order. You would not want to translate that into pure latin as some of hers ideas were not orthodox or she put too much effort into hiding it. No, if you understand the text, you would try to continue, invent and try to hide the knowledge even more so only you would understand what a Saint person wrote. The Bingen monastery was destroyed in 1632, so the key could be lost..
  
  The MS408 cosmos would indeed fit into hers, maybe a bit “colored” by somebody who didn’t had a visions like her. Also, she was illiterate like our author could be… 
  
  I am going to write something about that in a matter of weeks. Still trying to clear some connections.

  
  I have a scenario, Ranceps, in which the manuscript concerns the Ladin herbal tradition in the Dolomites, specifically the Val Badia, which region and people were overseen by Benedictine sisters of the Hildegard tradition. I have given some time to considering that context and Voynichese having Hildegard's language as the precedent. I blogged about it You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
  
  So I can provide a context for that possibility. My further thought is that Hildegard's language was essentially grammarless and just a lexicon. On some analysis, this might also characterise Voynichese. Yet the Voynich language seems systematic and 'entangled' in a way that Hildegard's language is not. But, in general, the Benedictine tradition leaves open the possibility of invented or 'inspired' tongues.
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