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• RE: Raison d'etre of the Voynich?

  Mark Knowles > 08-04-2023, 12:25 PM

  (07-04-2023, 07:02 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is only through comparison that connections can be made.

  Certainly commonalities are what one should look for i.e. ways in which the Voynich is less unique. So clearly some commonalities with other documents of the time can be found. Though similarities in specific ways with other documents can be observed, the Voynich manuscript as a whole remains unique. So it is locally not unique, but globally is unique.

• RE: Raison d'etre of the Voynich?

  ReneZ > 08-04-2023, 02:35 PM

  This is a matter of scope.
  The Rohonc codex is also unique, but it has some clear common aspects with the Voynich MS.
  So, either both are unique, or they are together in a class of rare unreadable ancient documents of many pages.
  That is subjective.

• RE: Raison d'etre of the Voynich?

  R. Sale > 09-04-2023, 11:03 PM

  We should look to commonalities because we want to know what the VMs connects with. That is the opportunity to start an investigation, and while many have failed, a few have had some success, not only in a general sense, but in fitting the VMs dating and in being mutually compatible as a group.
  
  Success is difficult for several reasons. It may take some time for the investigator to reach the same level of 'sophistication' as the VMs artist. Or is that a level of 'obfuscation'? The information itself can be obscure, from the present perspective. So, while it might be said that you have to know these things in order to see them, it should also be said that these things were much more immediate to persons who lived in and through the C-14 era. 
  
  Furthermore, the four examples serve to reveal and confirm some of the tricks that are part of the VMs artist's modus operandi. Trickery and disguise are produced by the combination of disparate images and unrelated visual elements. Uniqueness results from the creation of an oxymoron. It's' an old trick.

• RE: Raison d'etre of the Voynich?

  Moonchild > 16-04-2023, 12:56 AM

  I believe this manuscript might be a Jewelry inventory similar to Anna of Bavaria's jewel book. The plants (and other illustrations) are not plants some are concealing jewelry in such a perfect unusual way. I believe they are illustrated in an enlarged manner. I came to this conclusion by noticing the text written almost flawlessly, therefore, the seemingly careless illustrations are no match and they had to be concealing something.

• RE: Raison d'etre of the Voynich?

  Koen G > 16-04-2023, 11:07 AM

  (16-04-2023, 12:56 AM)Moonchild Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.text written almost flawlessly

  
  Compared to other manuscripts, the text of the Voynich is written relatively carelessly and would match the drawings in that regard. For example, the lines aren't ruled and words dance up and down. There are many examples of botched characters. There is variation in the way the same scribe writes the same character...

• RE: Raison d'etre of the Voynich?

  MarcoP > 16-04-2023, 11:31 AM

  (16-04-2023, 12:56 AM)Moonchild Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I came to this conclusion by noticing the text written almost flawlessly, therefore, the seemingly careless illustrations are no match and they had to be concealing something.

  
  In addition to what Koen wrote, this is a "non sequitur". There is no reason to believe that poor illustrations in a carefully written manuscript are hiding something. A better explanation for this hypothetical manuscript is that the scribe and illustrator are two different people with different skill levels. Anyway, as Koen says, this hypothetical manuscript is not the Voynich.

• RE: Raison d'etre of the Voynich?

  Moonchild > 16-04-2023, 02:57 PM

  (16-04-2023, 11:31 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (16-04-2023, 12:56 AM)Moonchild Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I came to this conclusion by noticing the text written almost flawlessly, therefore, the seemingly careless illustrations are no match and they had to be concealing something.

  
  In addition to what Koen wrote, this is a "non sequitur". There is no reason to believe that poor illustrations in a carefully written manuscript are hiding something. A better explanation for this hypothetical manuscript is that the scribe and illustrator are two different people with different skill levels. Anyway, as Koen says, this hypothetical manuscript is not the Voynich.

  
  
  Here is a visual to support my theory, the naked ladies for example, are an enlarged version of thread.

• RE: Raison d'etre of the Voynich?

  hatoncat > 17-04-2023, 05:47 PM

  (16-04-2023, 11:07 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (16-04-2023, 12:56 AM)Moonchild Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.text written almost flawlessly

  
  Compared to other manuscripts, the text of the Voynich is written relatively carelessly and would match the drawings in that regard. For example, the lines aren't ruled and words dance up and down. There are many examples of botched characters. There is variation in the way the same scribe writes the same character...

  
  By careless, I think the definition of careless has less to do with the line's straightness that its legibility. In that sense, extra care was taken to ensure the letters could be read, however lacking in semantics it initially appears.
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