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• RE: Eagle root

  MarcoP > 07-04-2016, 09:08 AM

  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. mentions an eagle illustrated next to wild lettuce in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., France, IX Century (f 44v).
  The eagle illustrates the fact that the plant was believed to improve sight and was prescribed "ad caliginem oculorum" (for the dizziness of the eyes).
  Collins also writes that she did not see eagles in other early herbals.

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  Diane > 28-05-2016, 03:08 PM

  Marco - another of those marvellous co-incidences.
  
  You speak of 'finding' the Vermont Herbal on March 11th.
  
  By a curious co-incidence, that's just about when I re-read Menno Knul's comment about it at ciphermysteries, and began digging into the manuscript's history, and writing up a series of posts (there will be more than 3 of them) from that basis.
  
  The first two in the series were published on May 5th.  You may find them interesting.  The remainder are still at the edit stage - I have so much less time for this than I used to.

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  Davidsch > 31-05-2016, 11:46 AM

  hmmm. i am sorry to ask here, but i need to know if anyone also have matches for angelica, angelicus ? 
  
  I stumbled upon a possible translation yesterday in the VMS, but the drawing of that herb does not resemble the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.at all.

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  Helmut Winkler > 31-05-2016, 03:33 PM

  (31-05-2016, 11:46 AM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.hmmm. i am sorry to ask here, but i need to know if anyone also have matches for angelica, angelicus ? 
  
  I stumbled upon a possible translation yesterday in the VMS, but the drawing of that herb does not resemble the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.at all.

  
  A plant in the Auslasser herbal was identified as Angelica silvestris (A. 74)

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  Davidsch > 31-05-2016, 10:40 PM

  here is that manuscript:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  i can not find your reference, can you see it?
  
  
  That site has a nice search function, so i searched, and this is a match:
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  and this is somewhat similar: !! 
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  -JKP- > 01-06-2016, 03:41 AM

  (31-05-2016, 10:40 PM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.here is that manuscript:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  i can not find your reference, can you see it?
  
  
  That site has a nice search function, so i searched, and this is a match:
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  ...

  
  That Harder herbal is one of my favorites.
  
  He took the time to find and gather the plants (rather than copying from a centuries-old legacy of inaccurate drawings) and took the time to paint in the roots at a time when many were starting to omit the roots (unless the root was specifically the medicinal part).

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  Helmut Winkler > 01-06-2016, 07:47 AM

  (31-05-2016, 10:40 PM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.here is that manuscript:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  i can not find your reference, can you see it?

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  -JKP- > 01-06-2016, 08:14 AM

  From the Treat and Taste herbs blog:
  
  "There are over thirty varieties of angelica but the one that is recognized for its medicinal qualities in Germany, Switzerland and Austria is archangelic. There are many stories surrounding its name but it certainly was used in pagan festivals, as there is a festival in parts of Germany when villagers go into towns carrying angelica stems and singing in a long-forgotten language words learned in childhood, but not understood even by the singers any more."
  
  
  From the Journal of Nutrition, Pharmacology, Neurological Diseases:
  
  "This herb [Angelica archangelica] blooms about May 8, (old calendar), St. Michael's feast day, and is so named in his honor. Even though this herb is named in honor of a Christian angel many Angelica Festivals are held in Livonia, East Prussia, and Pomerania, and celebrated in a pagan manner, with dance and chanting of ancient ditties in languages no longer understood."
  
  
  
  From Rodale's encyclopedia:
  
  “...chanting ancient songs whose words they do not understand. Is this a holy ritual gone pagan? Is it a tradition maintained since pre-Christian times? If they know the words to the songs, why don’t they know what they mean?”
  
  
  Maybe this would be an interesting topic for Cipher Mysteries readers.

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  Koen G > 01-06-2016, 08:44 AM

  This seems like a very romantic way of saying 'they sang folk songs which contained a fair amount of melodic nonsense words, onomatopoeia and archaic vocabulary'. Like many European folk songs tend to do. My daughter learns ancient ditties in language no longer understood in daycare.
  
  Of course the origin of folk songs can be interesting, especially if those songs relate to traditions and festivals. But the presence of unintellegible language need not imply anything out of the ordinary.

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  -JKP- > 01-06-2016, 10:14 AM

  (01-06-2016, 08:44 AM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This seems like a very romantic way of saying 'they sang folk songs which contained a fair amount of melodic nonsense words, onomatopoeia and archaic vocabulary'. Like many European folk songs tend to do. My daughter learns ancient ditties in language no longer understood in daycare.
  
  Of course the origin of folk songs can be interesting, especially if those songs relate to traditions and festivals. But the presence of unintellegible language need not imply anything out of the ordinary.

  
  I don't think this should be dismissed as nonsense words.
  
  When I was a school-child I was taught a couple of songs in foreign languages without it being explained, except VERY briefly, what the songs were about. They were not translated word by word or even by phrase, just a general description.
  
  I remember the songs very well but it was years before I learned the language in which they were in. If it were an ancient language, I might also remember the songs without necessarily ever being able to understand individual words.
  
  
  Many people around here sing Hava nagila without knowing the meaning of a single word, but they repeat the sounds fairly accurately.
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