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  Keycaps!
Posted by: Eiríkur - 10-12-2024, 09:29 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (8)

It's a keycap set called MW Voynich that I spotted on Aliexpress. There's Voynichese or bililingual.
I love the plants and other art on the modifier set. This is a keycap set that's modular. Make sure
you are ordering all the caps that you need. Some people like tiny keyboards. I'm a keyboard person.
I was thinking that I couldn't use these on my fancy keyboards, but I could get a cheap keyboard for
this and hang it on the wall as art.
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Apparently this was designed by a hobbyist and was originally a group-buy to get the cost down.
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  Color Deconvolution / "Depainting"
Posted by: evandrunen - 04-12-2024, 06:50 PM - Forum: Physical material - Replies (33)

I've been toying with ways to "depaint" the manuscript. The most recent work I can find is Landini's colour deconvolution from back in the early 2000s. I wanted to check if anyone knew of newer developments? Also, is there a significant set of "depainted" images anywhere? I can only find fragments of Landini's image results, and some cruder image work done by Pelling (focused on recovering painted-over text).

Thanks!
Eric

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Information Eastern Astrology present in VMS
Posted by: argo2001 - 28-11-2024, 02:25 PM - Forum: Astrology & Astronomy - Replies (24)

I consider the astrological part of the book the most important, because beside the plants (which are hardly identifiable) our stars and constellations do not change, and therefore it is the only part of VMS that can be connected to our real world.

Few months back I got myself to study a bit, and found that Chinese have a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. system. These Mansions reflect the movement of the moon in a lunar month (28 days) where each day corresponds with a constellation.

The Chinese lunar calendar is separated into quadrants - Dragon(East), Turtle/Snake(North), Tiger(West) and Bird(East). The south is usually on top.
Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Indians and Arabs utilise similar concept.

The 28-Mansions System lunar appears to be present on page f68r3. I saw there is an agreement that f68r3 features the moon in the middle.
   

What's more interesting is this rendition of the Mansion System from time of Yuan dynasty 1271-1368. Marco Polo served Yuan dynasty around 1280.
   

What's important, all lunar mansion systems - be it Arabic, Chinese or Indian - do include Pleiades as one of the mansions. The symbol in Chinese is "昴" is 16th lunar mansion, under Tiger(west).

In this image, I located 昴 on the right and adjusted it to align with the European north-up perspective. Conveniently, the Pleiades constellation in the VMS corresponds to the chart.

   

edit: changed title from "Chinese Astrology present in VMS" to "Eastern Astrology present in VMS"

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  A family of grammars for Voynichese
Posted by: Mauro - 27-11-2024, 04:19 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (148)

Hello everybody. I’m a new member, an Italian with a background in electronics engineering (industrial automation sector, now happily retired). I have dabbled from time to time into the Voynich manuscript, expecially from the point of view of statistics and word structure, without ever finding anything useful to report.
 
However, I have recently developed a word grammar or, better, a family of grammars, which I would like to share, together with a comparison with the grammars proposed by ThomasCoon, Zattera and Stolfi. Unfortunately, I have not found a way to format the presentation in a good way to display on the forum, so I have uploaded the .pdf file on Google Drive at this link (sorry for the inconvenience):
 
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The contents of the (short) presentation are:
 
1) INTRODUCTION: mostly concerned in defining how the evaluation of the grammars is made.
2) “BASIC” GRAMMAR: the simplest one, which makes clear how the underlying structure works. It finds 48.7-50.58% of the Voynichese words (depending on the variant of the grammar), with a better efficiency than ThomasCoon and Zattera (efficiency = number of Voynich words found / total words which the grammar can possibly generate).
3) “COMPACT” GRAMMAR: tweaked for efficiency, it’s 3-6 times better than the BASIC grammar, with a small decrease in the words found.
4) “EXTENDED” GRAMMAR: tweaked for coverage, it finds 88.45% of the Voynichese words, while at the same time being simple and reasonably efficient (and the coverage rises to 92.79% if words with ‘rare’ characters such as ‘g’ or ‘v’ etc., which are not used by the grammar, are excluded).
5) APPENDIX: a final consideration and a resume of the data.
 
Apologizing in advance for any mistakes I may have made, I hope you’ll find it interesting, and I will gladly read any answer and comments from the community.

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  [split] future video about AI, all input welcome /kg
Posted by: joben - 25-11-2024, 02:08 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (14)

(25-11-2024, 11:00 AM)Koen G wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Mike Plet, are you reading anything we say? If so, please give a sign.

New Voynich video idea: "Why AI sucks and why your Voynich Theory is still wrong"  Smile

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Question Graphologist examination
Posted by: argo2001 - 24-11-2024, 08:43 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (21)

Simple question: Has the text ever been examined by a professional graphologist?

If so, are there any reports or conclusions?

The only info I found is that an amateur graphologist tried to decipher it in the 1600s.

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  Rosettes Page: In The Beginning
Posted by: Dana Scott - 23-11-2024, 11:19 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (2)

I believe that the lower left rosette on the 9-folio foldout page 
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is a depiction of God's creation of the "heaven[s] and the earth".
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Genesis 1
King James Version

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

This volvelle is shown in Hebrew Cosmology:
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Notice the column shapes as drawn in the white areas separated by the oceans and seas:
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God's commands from above heaven emanate from the cloud burst located to the upper right of the volvelle:
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At the lower left corner of the volvelle is a depiction of the clock which started at the "beginning of time":
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The canopy in the middle of the volvelle includes the first set of stars seen in the universe:
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Perhaps the "words" listed here depict the Days of Creation including the Sabbath?
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Information Some statistics and analysis regarding VMS (words & letters)
Posted by: argo2001 - 23-11-2024, 01:02 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (12)

So I did some frequency analysis of the text. I'm still processing the most of it, but I wanted to share some stats I got. It's possible some of these data have been posted or done before by someone else, but I couldn't find it.

The data might not be 100% precise due to transcription errors. I used transcription from Landini-Stolfi. I have limited dataset of old Latin and English (only around 5000 words)

Total letters (excluding spaces): 194 771
Total words: 37 852

My entropy calculations of text based on words:
Voynich - 10.5957 bits
English - 7.9068 bits
Old Latin - 9.8516 bits

My entropy calculations of text based on letters:
Voynich - 3.8689 bits
English - 4.1317 bits
Old Latin - 4.0166 bits

  • Vast majority of words are unique = 6126 (70,54%) of words appears only once. 941 (10,84%) appear twice, and 382 (4,40%) thrice. That's 85% of words that are unique. These unique words make up 24,18% of the entire text. Truly unique words (they appear once) make up 16,18% of the entire text.
  • The word that appears the most (as a standalone) is "daiin" - 820 times (2,17%) Here are some data regarding "daiin":
(the top row lists if the string "daiin" appears as a standalone word, or if it's a part of a different word. If it's part of a different word, I list if it has initial, medial or final position.
the bottom row lists what is the most common letter that precedes/follows it in all cases. If the word is a standalone, I list what words commonly precede/follow it - ex. "chol daiin")
   
  • The second word that appears the most (as a standalone) is "ol" - 504 times (1,33%) - but it appears over 5000 times as a part of a word.

   
  • The word frequency in Voynichese (light blue), 15th Century Latin (Yellow), Modern English (dark blue/purple). I believe we already knew that it resembles Zipfs Law, but I'll show it anyway. Note: I don't have sufficient data to feed my algorithm regarding other languages, that's why English and Latin are so low. My Voynich algorithm worked with 37852 words, English and Latin with around 5000 words. I'd be happy if someone provided me with some old relevant texts that I could feed into the algorithm. Let me know!
   
Independently:
   

The most common combinations of words that appear in the text are:
"or aiin" - 51 times
"s aiin" - 44 times
"ar aiin" - 32 times
"chol daiin" - 30 times
"chol chol" - 21 times
"qokeedy qokeedy" - 20 times

(Some) of the longest strings that appear multiple times in the text are:
"ol shedy qokedy qokeedy" - 2 times
"qokeedy qotedy qokeedy" - 2 times
"qokedy qokeedy qokeedy" - 2 times
"qokedy qokedy qokedy" - 3 times
"sheedy qokedy chedy" - 3 times
"chol daiin chkaiin" - 2 times



Regarding individual letters/symbols:


Frequency analysis of all letters:
   

Analysis of letters - do they appear standalone, initial, medial or as final?
   

So yeah, these are some of my results - if you have request or are interested in more, let me know.

If you have any questions, ask.

Feel free to draw some of your conclusions in the comments.

Please, if you have some digitalized transcripts of original 15th century texts  or similar (any language), share them with me.  Cool

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  AI says I my translations work 2024 NOVEMBER
Posted by: Mike Plet - 23-11-2024, 12:30 AM - Forum: The Slop Bucket - Replies (22)

I am super confident that I am well on my way.
This is an extract of my Voynich translation of the first lines: 

  1. Recurring themes: movement, transformation, divine knowledge
  2. Structural patterns: progression through stages/chambers
  3. Emphasis on dualities: earthly/divine realms
  4. Circular narrative: begins with examination, ends with divine truth
 
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  Podcast
Posted by: LisaFaginDavis - 20-11-2024, 06:56 PM - Forum: News - Replies (3)

The latest episode of the "This is Love" podcast is devoted to the VMS, featuring myself, Claire Bowern, Cary Rapaport, and Koen Gheuens:
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