On folio 67v1 it shows the sun surrounded by stars and twelve labels, if these labels correlate to the twelve months, what would the order of the months start with? March? January? Has this already been discussed over and over and I'm just wasting time???

I asked myself a question about this book, and I wondered whether this had ever been considered:
What if the manuscript were some kind of binder or index, either written by a scientist of the time or by a scribe, coded in order to protect the ideas of his “master”? That could explain why some of the flowers don’t look accurate: he might have drawn them based on what he understood. And the unreadable text could come from a related object that served as a translation key ?

Je me pose une question à propos de ce livre, et je le demandais si cela avait déjà été envisagé : Et si ce manuscrit était une sorte de classeur ou un index, soit rédigé par un scientifique de l'époque, soit par un scribe, de manière codé pour protéger les idées de son "maître", ce qui expliquerait pourquoi certaines fleurs ne sont pas ressemblante : il aurait dessiné selon ce qu'il a compris. Et le côté illisible pourrait venir d'un objet lié servant de base de traduction ?

The item in question is BNCF, Palatino 586, readable here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

The imagery in this MS recalls a lot that of the VMS. Perhaps wew can find some clues as to the identity of some plants in the VMS from this.

   

   

   

   

   

   

Could the VMS be inspired from a now lost Provencal/Occitan herbal source?

Translation to English is "Fish"

Language is Old High German form and variations are:
[*]
fisc
[*]fisk
[*]fisch
[*]fish
[*]fisg
[*]variants beginning with v, including visc, visch, and visg

- Most likely phonemic ?



Theory derived from:
- The amount of letters/symbols.
- The assumptions regarding the origin of a scribe
- The year it was written (1400s to 1500s)
- In my language (Slavic) we say "fish" for this zodiac as well.

The only thing that does not match well is the shape of symbols...

Well, almost. It's an instance of "boxleber", but to me the interesting part is that the author chose to write the genitive with an "x". To my knowledge, "boxleber" is as rare as "poxleber".

Anyway, it is from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (early 1500s), Switzerland.

   

My reading: "... oder mit eynem guten Syrop / Sommer boxleber / es koste was es wolle / es sol uns kein gelt rewen".

Source: Augsburg, Staats- und Stadtbibliothek -- 4 Th H 1735

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This theory is based on an alternate reading of the marginalia on f116v. As you might know, the enigmatic folio's second line begins with the mysterious "michition oladaba8":

   

I challenge this reading. My reading is as follows: "anthiton (o)lebadeia". These two words represent two ancient Greek cities, close to one another geographically, known for their connection to an ancient oracle ritual called the oracle of Trophonios. Before going further, I would like to show these cities as they appear in 15th-16th century maps. Please note the strikingly varied and sometimes different naming of these cities in contemprary maps.

   

(Map from 1508 Rome, München, Bayerische Staatsbibliothek -- ESlg/2 A.gr.b. 981

   

(Map from 1486 Ulm, München, Bayerische Staatsbibliothek -- 2 Inc.c.a. 1820 a)

   

(Map from 1462 Bologna, München, Bayerische Staatsbibliothek -- Rar. 124)

   

(Map from 17th Century, München, Bayerische Staatsbibliothek -- 2 Mapp. 13)

Here's a side-by-side descirption of these two cities in a Latin geography book:

   

As you can see, there are many different spellings and namings for these two cities. And my proposal for the interpreration of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is the following:

   

But the geographic proximity of these cities and the apparent similarity with You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is not the only reason I'm making this suggestion. In Lebadeia, in ancient times, the cult of Trophonius was active. In particular, an oracle was present in one of the caves nearby the city, where some incredible things (allegedly) occured.

In order to consult the oracle, a person had to prepare themselves:

• eat a series of sacred herbs,
  
• bathe in the River Herkryna,
  
• drink from two rivers called Lethe and Mnemosyne,
  
• and then descend into a cave.
  

I just posted a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of the "Big Wipe" theory for the "michiton" text of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. to the "Retracing" thread.  There is also You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. at my university's site. 

All the best, --stolfi

Hi, my first post here.

Not sure if anyone has noticed before, but there is a striking similarity between the unknown device of Trajan column and the Voynich water piper or whatever those are.



and this drawing (Page 78)



PS this is my first post, I just joined because youtube kept suggesting the videos, also not sure what is the proper image hosting server people like to use here.

Any thoughts, opinions?

Cheers!

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The following course was offered at the Institute for Digital Humanities, University of Cologne:

The Voynich Manuscript as a Research Subject
Seminar in the Summer Semester of 2026

The program ran through July 23, 2026. The results will be made available to the public.

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Initially, I believed that all of the Rosettes were a map of a city. However, I later realized that this interpretation was rather absurd, as there would be no point in creating such a map for a single city.
After looking at them again, I noticed the following: the four Rosettes in the corners of the quadrifolium differ from all the others (including the island) in that they most closely resemble geographical features (a hill on the top left, a city on the top right, a lake on the bottom left, and a second city or temple on the bottom right).
And I thought the following:
"There was an wrong image"
1 - Mount Sinai
2 - Jerusalem
4 - I've always thought that the area above the blue cross was farmland. This may be a depiction of Gosen.
These are the very first associations.

The central Rosettes (by the way, their difference is that they are all symmetrical and "schematic") may have a clear religious meaning. If we consider the central island as a hill (rather than an actual island), it could represent the Heavenly Jerusalem.

What do you think?

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