In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., I noticed a peculiar feature when comparing words with You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. with the text of f104r.28: sometimes the boundary between words was the combination of dl. Of course, my work is still somewhat questionable, but I found this observation interesting.
I decided to test the behavior of this combination in a manuscript. It appears in both Currier A and Currier B. In both cases, the combinations behave in the same way - either they stand alone or they are combined with words like ch (e.g., chdlety f47v).
In the recipe section, this combination is often found next to d. Examples: daindl, dlchd, opcheddl, ckhddl, oteeodl.
Before dl, there may be an o, and in one case they form one word together (odl, also often in the recipe section), while in the other case the previous word ends with o (examples: tocheo dlchy; oteeodl)
Of course, these observations are not enough to draw any conclusions, but we can make some assumptions.
It is possible that the combination of dl carries the meaning of distinguishing between words. It is also possible that this combination arises from the division of text into combinations of letters (as in many classical ciphers, the text is first divided into bigrams or trigrams).

What do you think?

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The weakness of the hoax theory is that its proponents rarely provide examples of such "fake books". 
It's worth wondering if there's any hoax "VMS spirit" at all. For example, it could be written in a made-up, nonsensical language, or filled with nonsensical illustrations, or misleading, etc.

The only person who comes to mind is Samuel Literati Nemesh, and no one else...

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I can't help but notice there are different kind of ways O's are drawn in VMS. I always starts my O from the top going counterclockwise. I've exagerated the traits in KolourPaint to show the starting point and direction. There doesn't seem to be a pattern (e.g. whole page written with O from bottom). The most common O seems to be starting from the top.

Starting from the top

   
   
   

Starting from bottom

   
   
   
   

In two quill traits

These could be EVA a though?

   
   
   
   

I received an email from someone asking how they could contribute to Voynich research. I thought for a bit, but didn't find it easy to come up with an answer. Sure, I'd like someone to find better matches for the month names handwriting, but that's an extremely specialized and tricky task that we kind of crashed on ourselves. In other words, whenever I think "someone should do this", it's because the research requires expertise that I don't have.

But maybe some of you guys have more inspiration? If someone wants to contribute to the research, what are things they can do? More generally, what are research topics that you can think of that you'd like to see anyone explore? 

(Disclaimer: all suggestions made in this thread should be "up for grabs", so don't share research ideas that you want to keep for yourself).

[Edit KG: I'm hijacking this first post for some explanation. All too often, discussions on matters Voynichese end up on the same old You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. debates, like some weird version of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. When this happens and really takes threads off-topic, we will simply move those posts here. Feel free to keep discussing in this thread.]

(21-07-2026, 09:53 AM)J_Voy wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I just find it hard to believe that handwriting analysis of the marginalia that almost perfectly lines up with the dates of the vellum being produced is actually a wiped off, then a scribe writing over it would just so happen to almost perfectly mimic that writing style, I see the possibility, and if further evidence appears for this, I will change my mind about this, but I just don't believe it is probable, and plus, on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. there appears to be a drawing of both a goat, and a nymph, the goat matches up with the first and last words, 'poxleber', and 'gaſmich' which are generally believed to translate to 'buck's liver' and 'goat's milk' respectively. In my opinion, that long s is almost certainly a long s, as the reading gaſmich, actually means something, what would 'gafmich' mean? Nothing, we don't even see a clear crossbar than an f would have, as well as the fact that first you're taking the liver of a goat, then the milk of a goat? It makes more sense. Anyway, the nymph could represent the two Voynichese words, (aror Sheey)why wouldn't these also be washed away?

I believe the general consensus that the masses are stumped by MS-408, not only by the originality of it's script, but by what the actual glyph's could represent.  The possibility of a decryption is out there, yet knowing the behavior of the MS-408, I doubt it would relate to any known language with fluent grammar.  Well behaved sentences from a language with a decryption, I guarantee will not happen with MS-408.  Even a straight across substitution using "Eva" would still show irregular behavior of its said language.  Serious cryptologists like Turing, Friedman, Tilman and Currier all gave it a shot to try and give meaning to MS-408 without success.  Does this imply the MS-408 design was meant to thwart decryption, especially with the world throwing into the ring with no complete translated message that's coherent?  I say yes, sorry!  Let's face it Yale covets' an obscure duck that has no quacking language, maybe it does have some meaning, but nothing fluent.

When I say meaning it maybe be enough to show the world what is in MS-408, however it will not be like reading Edgar Allen Poe!

Here is the other side of the coin, if it is a conlang solely constructed to have meaning for an in group of ?????? when decoded than the language maybe alien.  However what decryption option is the one to show the alien text?  Are they people like I just said or are they the fallen?  Now I know I just left some readers behind.  The whole document seems like a cover up and I'm digging deep because, MS-408 has been around for an enough time to already be translated.

People go off on a tangent about gobeliegook, hoax and so many ai translations then we are always stuck at staring at MS-408 dead ends.  Or is there a group referencing MS-408 as there lost language from a previous decryption?  If it is an alien language does it have a cross reference to a known language and here is where I have too let go or I will get in trouble.  You have enough, farewell.

   

I think this was discussed in the past (i.e. in the "gallow intrusion" thread), but in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and f58v, there seem to be evidence that some lines were written after the immediate bottom line, with glyph from the top line being written over the glyph from the bottom line?

If the gallow was written after the top line, why make it so big that it extends over the above glyph?

   

Why start the gallow line so that it's *over* the glyph above?

   

It seems to me the tail has been made in one continuous trait?

   

Is there a concensus around line ordering, beside that "block of text" were written before/after others?

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Hello everyone

Based on Davis and Layfield recent article about the order of the quires and pages, I tried to "reorder" the entire MS using their method, but using the ZL3b transliteration.

The results were:

   

This was done using an Held-Karp algorithm. Now, this is only an hypothesis, and something I noticed is that: Q20 matches the research, but the "edges" of Q13 change (Davis/Layfield propose 77|82, 78|81, 75|84, 76|83, 79|80, my algorithm proposes 79|80, 78|81, 75|84, 76|83, 77|82). This could be due to transliteration differences, or maybe the algorithm used (Held-Karp), but it's something pretty interesting.

By the way, the results that have a 0% improvement (Q15 included) may not be anyway useful, since there is no verified improvement in the reordering.

I ask you to consider the hypothesis and make your own assertions about it. I'm not an expert on the field, so your thoughts are really important.  

Thank you.

Hello,

New user (sorry if I am not posting in the correct place) here.
Is there a collection anywhere of statistical data about the voynich? I am imagining CSVs of bigram frequencies etc. I want to make some original graphics to illustrate what we know about the text.
 
I tried to use the search bar and just browse around but couldn't find what I was looking for.

Thank you!