Here are two more 14th-century manuscripts with helical ropes from a Catalan Breviary and a French Book of Hours:
MS Rothschild 2529:
![[Image: 1398_Breviary%2Bof%2BMartin%2Bof%2BArago...2%2529.jpg]](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-g5j-w3t6aPE/WrnZKKPOohI/AAAAAAAAXuc/g9yId0Xd7eouBK_sL08fLCJppXRNSasUQCLcBGAs/s640/1398_Breviary%2Bof%2BMartin%2Bof%2BAragon_Catalan%252C%2Bc.%2B1398-1430_Paris%252C%2BBNF_MS%2BRothschild%2B2529%252C%2Bfol.%2B215%2B%25282%2529.jpg)
Morgan MS M.90:
![[Image: 1370_Master%2Bof%2Bthe%2BBible%2Bof%2BJe....050ra.jpg]](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nv5m3mZ_1sQ/WrnYqXwNJBI/AAAAAAAAXuU/JgNtoOF2yu0hkpMNEn3nL8jVc3pC-iNIACLcBGAs/s1600/1370_Master%2Bof%2Bthe%2BBible%2Bof%2BJean%2Bde%2BSy_Book%2Bof%2BHours_French%2B%2528Verdun%2529%252C%2Bc.%2B1370-1380_NY%252C%2BPierpont_m90.050ra.jpg)
This later 15th century Dutch one is kind of helical:
![[Image: 1496_Workshop%2Bof%2BHieronymous%2BBosch...2BArts.jpg]](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aqRmXxtZXEI/WrneNnyRgFI/AAAAAAAAXvQ/ryc3TWU28xYbykGOKrPSqb42zYjrd7F8QCLcBGAs/s1600/1496_Workshop%2Bof%2BHieronymous%2BBosch_Dutch%252C%2Bc.%2B1496-1500_Boston%252C%2BMuseum%2Bof%2BFine%2BArts.jpg)
...and c. 1500 from Antwerp:
![[Image: 1500_Book%2Bof%2BHours_Flemish%2B%2528An...%2B13r.jpg]](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gGGMYYA2ygU/WrnegrdXpUI/AAAAAAAAXvU/5y9CYMEA7fowvRi9pIPJcZyl3zs1Hxm-ACLcBGAs/s400/1500_Book%2Bof%2BHours_Flemish%2B%2528Antwerp%2529%252C%2Bc.%2B1500-10_Hague%252C%2BKB_KB%2B128%2BG%2B34%252C%2Bfol.%2B13r.jpg)
So... that's not enough examples to know (I usually like to have a couple of hundred before I even look at the patterns), but might the helical patterns be mostly France/Flanders?
MS Rothschild 2529:
Morgan MS M.90:
This later 15th century Dutch one is kind of helical:
...and c. 1500 from Antwerp:
So... that's not enough examples to know (I usually like to have a couple of hundred before I even look at the patterns), but might the helical patterns be mostly France/Flanders?
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