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The return of the "Voynich faked it" theory
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The return of the "Voynich faked it" theory
ReneZ > 08-08-2019, 06:21 PM
In recent weeks, the animal on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. was a 'hot topic' on a large number of Voynich blogs.
In this forum the discussion tends to concentrate on the possibility it is a ram or a lamb. In other places, the idea that it could be a armadillo figured prominently, with the suggestion that this would be a sign of a modern fake by Voynich.
More recently, at the blog of Rich Santacoloma the 'modern fake' topic was picked up again, with additional comments on the blog of Klaus Schmeh.
I don't really like to discuss this very much. The reason is that I had endless discussions about this on the Voynich mailing list, that led absolutely nowhere. Of all the people reading here, I think that at least David Jackson, Helmut Winkler and 'voynichbombe' saw all that. (It's a guess, sorry if I got it wrong).
Now I would not want people to be misled. The issue whether any object is a fake is far from trivial. Fakes exist and there have been surprising, even embarrassing cases. It is not a matter of 'belief' but a matter of close study and analysis.
At some point I decided to summarise the reasons that the Voynich MS is almost certainly a genuine late medieval manuscript at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . Rich devoted his last blog post to this page.
While it is not short, I would say it is quite 'condensed' and many things could have been written more expansively.
Also, whenever new information is available, I will update the page including this.
The page does not address the specific arguments of Rich. That is done at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. .
I never made this second link known, simply because I don't particularly like to 'fuel the discussion'. However, it is there and, more than the first one, this page expresses my opinions.
What I want to say is, that these pages explain my views and the reason why I think that the Voynich MS is a genuine late medieval document, beyond reasonable doubt.
Of course, anyone can form their own opinion. As I have written before, here and elsewhere, there will always be people who believe, or are convinced that the MS is a modern fake by Voynich.
So be it.
There are many theories about the Voynich MS, and their credibility ranges from possible, through unlikely, to really not sensible. For me, this one is at the far end of the spectrum. -
RE: The return of the "Voynich faked it" theory
Helmut Winkler > 09-08-2019, 09:06 AM
Rene,
I remember the discussions very well and you are absolutely right, of course -
RE: The return of the "Voynich faked it" theory
davidjackson > 09-08-2019, 06:01 PM
Ah, the good old days
Of course, some would argue that by constantly attacking the theory, you are actually reinforcing it Rene. Your facts are out there, and it seems that they aren't enough to counteract the force of belief that powers Rich's theory. Therefore, Rich has every right in the world to continue supporting and voicing his personal theory.
Doesn't mean you have to do a Neil Armstrong on him....
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RE: The return of the "Voynich faked it" theory
ReneZ > 09-08-2019, 08:39 PM
David, I can't even begin to understand what you mean
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RE: The return of the "Voynich faked it" theory
ReneZ > 09-08-2019, 09:44 PM
Haha, how uncivilised. -
RE: The return of the "Voynich faked it" theory
bi3mw > 13-08-2019, 02:50 PM
If you only give yourself one minute then you do not need to explain anything. Is Voynich or the idea of a fake debunked here ?
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RE: The return of the "Voynich faked it" theory
ReneZ > 13-08-2019, 03:06 PM
Despite the hint of a Dutch accent, that wasn't me :-) -
RE: The return of the "Voynich faked it" theory
ReneZ > 11-09-2019, 08:49 PM
In the opening post, I provided two links:
- one to a page with arguments why the Voynich MS is a genuine medieval document
- one to a page that addresses the arguments put forward by Rich Santacoloma why it should be a modern fake by Voynich
I have just removed the second page, because the arguments it was addressing are unreasonable.