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• RE: Random plant ids

  Linda > 04-01-2021, 06:07 AM

  (08-12-2020, 06:02 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.F38r is a hard nut to crack.
  Sometimes I think it could be a water plant because of the drops. But I have not found any medical evidence.
  I also think wild asparagus is a possibility. Needles and flowers.
  Another possibility, but unfortunately only in Mexico. Is it possible that something like this is also native to Europe ?

  
  I like the asparagus idea, best way to pull the two parts together into one plant that i have seen.
  
  Looking at it, though, i all of a sudden saw something different. 
  
  What if the two parts are separate but they live symbiotically? There is nothing that actually shows the mechanism of attachment from the white with red part to the green part, perhaps it is like a combination, one as background for the other. It would be just like the vms artist to do something like that, put something huge and something tiny in comparison together in close proximity, making it difficult to discern, yet making perfect sense if you know what they are (if this is what they are, and if i am right about seeing the example i mention, too...ah well..). At least that is how i see quire 13 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. for example, the green pools are huge but the blue pool is tiny in comparison, yet is the largest of its kind, so it makes sense to be there like that, just as i can see sense in putting these two together.
  
  So the green part would be, let's say, Abies alba fir tree, plus if you look at it upside down it almost looks like the whole tree, especially with that line there it almost looks like a trunk.
  
  The white with red part would be Monotropa uniflora, or ghost pipe. These are plants without chlorophyl, usually white or yellow but in some cases can be pink or even red. They would be much smaller than the tree, but perhaps about the same size as the sprig example. They get their nutrients by parasitism. They look droopy as they develop, once they are fertilised, they face the sky.
  
  
  
  
  
  The Monotropa obtains nutrients from the Abies, but not directly, there would be a mycelial network of Russulacae that provide the means. Perhaps it was known at the time that this link, or one like it, existed, and that this plant relies upon these other lifeforms to survive. Cut down the tree, no more flower. It is another example of the water of life going through everything, all is connected.
  
  The concept of Yin and Yang fits too. I realize there may be some problematic timing with regard to the symbol, but i think it is possible that it was in play for longer back than thought, because its use here works with the ideas that go with it. 
  
  
  
  The tree would be the active sun light and heat from heaven conversion machine, the flower would passively accept its enhanced water in the dark cold earth, then disappear until next time. The tree is strong and evergreen, active all year, standing in place always. The flower is ephemeral, ghostly, spiritual. The yang is shown in the green tree part, it is upside down, but i think the way it reads is right way up, from the top of the tree comes the most 'yang', it the trickles downward to the roots.  If it is a droplet it also works with the upside down but upside right positioning, kinda morphing from tree to branch. The yins are not shown, but implied by the yangs, if the yin were drawn, it would be within the flower part of the diagram.
  
  Or maybe they are parasites of some kind. I see this idea used in another diagram of what i believe to be another parasitic plant, they made the root look like a tapeworm there.
  
  So i thought i would offer up the possibilities. What do you think?

• RE: Random plant ids

  Linda > 04-01-2021, 06:14 AM

  (04-01-2021, 05:12 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Linda, Pulmonaria is one of my favorite IDs for You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . That's exactly how it grows (it's in my garden in two places). Plus, the VMS plant has dots on the leaves.
  
  It is frequently included in medieval plant books.

  
  Yes i think it is a good fit. I can't really see it as a moss or lichen when it so closely matches Lungworts, something much easier seen and known to have a medicinal useage by its name.

• RE: Random plant ids

  rasiratros > 16-02-2021, 01:49 PM

  I want to join your discussion. According to my assumption of authorship of MV (Agrippa), and after reading the information about Paracelsus, that he took a lot of ideas from Agrippa's teachings; he also used the basics of "iatrochemistry", for example, he assumed that individual human organs should be treated with plants similar look like these organs. Agrippa also worked in the preparation of various herbal medicines. In my opinion, some of the drawings of the plants in the MV are a schematic collection of herbs - a superplant. For example, stem and leaves + flower + root are all from different plants, as a result, it turns into an ideal healing composition. Perhaps this can be explained sometimes in MV: the roots have a cut into which the stem is inserted. perhaps, this is an attempt to put together parts of different plants. f11r  f13r  f14r   f16r  and on

• RE: Random plant ids

  rasiratros > 16-02-2021, 03:08 PM

  also my guess about You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. I think these are the so-called "poppy tears". below on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. are unripe poppy pods, from which this juice is released. in order to get opium, you need to dry white tears in the sun. Exactly, as shown on the green sheet. most likely this is a coniferous plant, as you suggested. in the process of drying tears in the sun, it will not lose its greenery and coniferous properties. such a well-thought-out cocktail by the way, Paracelsus used opium a lot in his recepies 

• RE: Random plant ids

  -JKP- > 16-02-2021, 09:35 PM

  I hadn't considered poppy for this folio, rasiratros, that's a new thought for me, but I did consider the possibility that the crescents might be sap. My idea was balsam, which has vase-like flowers and was captured in the medieval period in vase-like containers.
  
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  Balsam (Commiphora and a couple of similar species that were substituted for the more expensive balsam) is frequently included in medieval books of plants.
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